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    Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    From the former danish foreign minister who presided over the maastricht defeat in that country in 1992.

    http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp ... e_id=93229

    The pressure is building up.
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    Re: Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    The best comment in that article was "Now the EU is again in the Irish stew." To stick to culinary expressions, Uffe Ellemann-Jensen seems to want to have his cake and Ireland's too.

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    Re: Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    And some people said the Yes side were exaggerating the consequences of a no vote
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    Re: Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    I agree with this.

    Perhaps there could be some temporary fudge: a suspension of membership for 5 years, with our MEPs becoming observer members.

    The nightmare is that Ireland needs to hold a referendum to leave. I can imagine a situation where a referendum to leave is held, and rejected. Followed by a new referendum on Lisbon, which is also rejected. We would be in limbo - trapped by that wonderful constitution, which, I am reminded on this site, people died for.
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    Re: Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    I like this line, it says a lot about his ethics and his vision of a democratic EU

    "unfortunate Irish tradition for referendums"

    I mean, how dare the people have their say!
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    Re: Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    The unfortunate Irish tradition for referendums should have been addressed after that dismaying experience [Nice I] .
    How terrible it is for people to have a say(!)

    Kicking Ireland out of the EU is clearly a nonsense. Irish voters share many of the same concerns as the ordinary European citizen. It is the European ruling class that needs to take a hard look at itself..
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    Re: Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    What a douche.

    I voted yes, was disappointed with the result but am more disappointed to see a comment like this
    "The unfortunate Irish tradition for referendums should have been addressed after that dismaying experience."
    from someone like that.

    Whether we like the result or not, asking the people their opinion and getting a majority vote is a good thing!

    This kind of stuff makes it seem likely that we'll be told to reconsider with a continental made gun pointed directly at our head.
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    Re: Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    Quote Originally Posted by PaintingMedium
    I like this line, it says a lot about his ethics and his vision of a democratic EU

    "unfortunate Irish tradition for referendums"

    I mean, how dare the people have their say!
    He is dead right. Where Denmark has a definite legal and constitutional procedure for when and how to hold a referendum on EU matters, Ireland only has a tradition based on a single 20 year old judgement, which has never been clarified.

    I think it is time to hold a referendum on the Crotty judgement.
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    Re: Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    I agree with this.

    Perhaps there could be some temporary fudge: a suspension of membership for 5 years, with our MEPs becoming observer members.

    The nightmare is that Ireland needs to hold a referendum to leave. I can imagine a situation where a referendum to leave is held, and rejected. Followed by a new referendum on Lisbon, which is also rejected. We would be in limbo - trapped by that wonderful constitution, which, I am reminded on this site, people died for.
    And you clearly have no respect for either.
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    Re: Pressure on Ireland to leave EU

    This guilt trip on enlargement too. Why not just admit the new members?

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