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    French television speculates on new core EUrope

    Just watching France 5 television. The general consensus is that the day is coming closer now when a number of States (probably Benelux, Italy, France and Germany) decide to steam ahead with a core 'political' Europe.

    This is an inevitability. The interests of France and Germany in particular are moving towards a federation. We will find ourselves back where we were in 1918; a peripeheral and disenfranchised satellite of the UNited Kingdom!

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    wildmind this is exactly the type of scaremongering that forced people to vote NO in the first place! You're doing no favours for the YES side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim236
    wildmind this is exactly the type of scaremongering that forced people to vote NO in the first place! You're doing no favours for the YES side.
    Be scared baby. It's called political reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildmind
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim236
    wildmind this is exactly the type of scaremongering that forced people to vote NO in the first place! You're doing no favours for the YES side.
    Be scared baby. It's called political reality.
    No its called scaremongering, and the French can play it up all they like, but proposals like the ones being mentioned are non-starters.

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    Exactly. I said more or less the same on a different thread.

    What's important to realise is that this is what Libertas wants. Its their raison d'etre. People have been pushing it in Magill magazine for some time, that Ireland should reduce its links with Europe and join the Anglosphere (the group of English-speaking countries). I expect they're toasting the Queen at the Libertas celebration tonight.

    The other organisations involved in the No campaign like Sinn Fein are too stupid to realise they've been duped. Closer integration with Europe was Ireland's only way of avoiding being totally cuturally submerged in the English-speaking world.

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    I think Spain will join that hardcore, and Greece and Portugal too. I'm not so sure about the newer members. But I think it's looking ever more likely that rather than consolidation, the Union could well be heading for some sort of moderate dissolution.

    I'm sadly reminded of a Mark Steyn article from a few years back:

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    Europe's ruling class has effortlessly refined Voltaire: I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death my right not to have to listen to you say it. You might disapprove of what Le Pen says on immigration, but to declare that the subject cannot even be raised is profoundly unhealthy for a democracy. The problem with the old one-party states of Africa and Latin America was that they criminalized dissent: You could no longer criticize the President, you could only kill him. In the two-party one-party states of Europe, a similar process is under way: If the political culture forbids respectable politicians from raising certain topics, then the electorate will turn to unrespectable politicians -- as they're doing in France, Austria, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and elsewhere. Le Pen is not an aberration but the logical consequence.

    The Eurosnots, of course, learn nothing. President Chirac, for his part, has announced that he will not deign to debate his opponent during the remaining two weeks of the campaign. M. Le Pen beat M. Chirac in nine of France's 22 districts. Unlovely he may be, but he is the legitimate standard-bearer for democratic opposition to Chirac. By refusing to engage, the President is doing a grave disservice to French democracy. Similarly, Gerhard Schroeder, facing difficult electoral prospects this fall, is now warning German conservatives that he will decline to participate in a "campaign of fear" -- i.e., on touchy issues. But the way you defeat poisonous ideas is to expose them to the bracing air of open debate. In Marseilles, they're burning synagogues. In Berlin, the police advise Jews not to leave their homes in skullcaps or other identifying marks of their faith. But Europe's political establishments insist that, on immigration and crime, there's nothing to talk about.

    A century and a half ago, Tsar Nicholas I described Turkey as "the sick man of Europe." Today, the sick man of Europe is the European -- the urbane Continental princelings like Chirac and Michel, gliding from capital to capital building their Eutopia, oblivious to the popular will except on those rare occasions, such as Sunday, when the people do something so impertinent they finally catch the eye of their haughty maître d'.

    I've said before that September 11th will prove to be like the Archduke's assassination in Sarajevo -- one of those events that shatters the known world. To the list of polities destined to slip down the Eurinal of history, we must add the European Union and France's Fifth Republic. The only question is how messy their disintegration will be.
    See: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0502/steyn050102.asp

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    Yes it is indeed ironic that it is only when we semi-detach ourselves from the EU that we will realise that it was our best chance of being sovereign in a globalised world.

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    People have to realise that we are not the centre of the universe. We have taken a decision and will have to live with the consequences, whatever they are. One thing is certain, we will not be included in any core grouping in Europe. There may be an attitude among the more committed federalists that we have taken their money and ran. It is unreasonable to expect that the rest of Europe will be completely rational when we are not. We may find that our only ally is Britain although I have no idea what the countries of eastern Europe think. Looking at the map of Europe, we are now on the far western edge of the EU, future expansion to the east and south will put us further from the centre.
    If engineers were wrong as often as economists, would anyone fly aeroplanes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildmind
    Yes it is indeed ironic that it is only when we semi-detach ourselves from the EU that we will realise that it was our best chance of being sovereign in a globalised world.
    That statement makes absolutely no sense!

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    freedomlover

    What's important to realise is that this is what Libertas wants. Its their raison d'etre. People have been pushing it in Magill magazine for some time, that Ireland should reduce its links with Europe and join the Anglosphere (the group of English-speaking countries).
    I have bad news for you. We are an English speaking country. We can't join because we are already in. And there's nothing to join anyway.

    As for France joining a core group, good luck with the referendum on that one.

    And the Germans are treating euros from italy as if they were Northern Bank notes

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.j ... uro113.xml

    Let's not pretend that we are the odd-man out. Most Europeans have serious doubts about the runaway train of eurofanaticism.

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