Are FF canvassers urging 'No' voters not to vote?

[QuestionsQuigley]

miju wrote:

Bif wrote:I realise this means nothing from a sceintific point of view but I asked ten guys at work yesterday how they are voting (all these will vote). Answer = 8 nos, 1 yes and 1 undecided. Most of these would have voted for gov. in the last election. Of all the people I have asked over the last few weeks I have nly heard 3 people say they will vote yes.



I would be the same. If I'm being 100% truthful in the last month I've been asking alot of friends , family , colleagures etc how they are voting. Only one so far is voting yes but she has since changed her tune and is planning on voting NO

I honest to god know no-one who is voting yes so I can't see how this will get passed


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Well FFers have been telling some people around Dublin, who are no voters, that they don't need to vote as that will count as a no vote.[/color]

I just hope people aren't that stupid.

I've just picked up something on another thread here. Does anyone know anymore about this? Has anyone heard of FF canvassers urging 'No' voters not to vote? This unbelievable if it is true! Whatever happened to "Rock the Vote" and get out and vote regardless of what way you are voting. Is this not a form of voter suppression??

[Jim236]

As we speak there is an Indian volunteer posting Fine Gael Vote YES leaflets in the doors on my road. Apart from volunteers posting leaflets, there has been no one come around here(Dublin SW) from any party canvassing for a YES or NO vote. But I can relate to yourself in that anyone I ask seems to be voting NO, which won't be surprising as apparantly they're expecting a large NO vote from Dublin SW and surrounding areas. If any YES canavasser tried to say not voting means an automatic NO vote though I'd tell them to go fu*k themselves because at that point I'd have no time for what they have to say if they're willing to pull such sly tactics and deceive anyone contemplating a NO vote, just to achieve a YES vote.

[dub006]

As we speak there is an Indian volunteer posting Fine Gael Vote YES leaflets in the doors on my road. Apart from volunteers posting leaflets, there has been no one come around here(Dublin SW) from any party canvassing for a YES or NO vote. But I can relate to yourself in that anyone I ask seems to be voting NO, which won't be surprising as apparantly they're expecting a large NO vote from Dublin SW and surrounding areas.

Maybe FG have to depend on Non nationals to do their dirty work as their own party members dont believe in this sham treaty.

[returning officer]

As we speak there is an Indian volunteer posting Fine Gael Vote YES leaflets in the doors on my road. Apart from volunteers posting leaflets, there has been no one come around here(Dublin SW) from any party canvassing for a YES or NO vote. But I can relate to yourself in that anyone I ask seems to be voting NO, which won't be surprising as apparantly they're expecting a large NO vote from Dublin SW and surrounding areas.

Maybe FG have to depend on Non nationals to do their dirty work as their own party members dont believe in this sham treaty.

I'm sure that this has been pointed out to you before, but a non-national is one is who has no nationality (eg the USSR man in space in 1991/Palestinians left stateless), a non-Irish national is a person who is not native to Ireland.

It is very irritating..as is this thread.

[Vega1447]

As we speak there is an Indian volunteer posting Fine Gael Vote YES leaflets in the doors on my road. Apart from volunteers posting leaflets, there has been no one come around here(Dublin SW) from any party canvassing for a YES or NO vote. But I can relate to yourself in that anyone I ask seems to be voting NO, which won't be surprising as apparantly they're expecting a large NO vote from Dublin SW and surrounding areas.

Maybe FG have to depend on Non nationals to do their dirty work as their own party members dont believe in this sham treaty.

[color=#FF0000]I'm sure that this has been pointed out to you before, but a non-national is one is who has no nationality (eg the USSR man in space in 1991/Palestinians left stateless), a non-Irish national is a person who is not native to Ireland.
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It is very irritating..as is this thread.

Or we could call them .... ??? .... I know, [color=#FF0000]foreigners[/color]...

[CorkHurler]

A prominent member of provisional Sinn Fein gave me a leaflet in Cork on saturday saying, "Vote No, its safer, it can be renegotiated". Not withstanding the nonsense inherent in this argument I was struck by the underhand nature of the message - i.e we are pro Europe, we want to support a Treaty with out 26 fellow EU countries but it has to be on our terms. What he should have said is that Ourselves Alone are an isolationist, left wing organisation who have never supported any referendum on Ireland's membership. It might not have been an effective campaign strategy but would have been honest.

[dub006]

As we speak there is an Indian volunteer posting Fine Gael Vote YES leaflets in the doors on my road. Apart from volunteers posting leaflets, there has been no one come around here(Dublin SW) from any party canvassing for a YES or NO vote. But I can relate to yourself in that anyone I ask seems to be voting NO, which won't be surprising as apparantly they're expecting a large NO vote from Dublin SW and surrounding areas.

Maybe FG have to depend on Non nationals to do their dirty work as their own party members dont believe in this sham treaty.

I'm sure that this has been pointed out to you before, but a non-national is one is who has no nationality (eg the USSR man in space in 1991/Palestinians left stateless), a non-Irish national is a person who is not native to Ireland.

It is very irritating..as is this thread.

Here is the definition from the Immigration Act 1999.

“non-national” means an alien within the meaning of the Act of 1935 other than an alien to whom, by virtue of an order under section 10 of that Act, none of the provisions of that Act applies;


If you object to this definition please take it up with the Minister for Justice.Until its changed I will continue to use it.

[Gadjodilo]

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Well FFers have been telling some people around Dublin, who are no voters, that they don't need to vote as that will count as a no vote.[/color]

I just hope people aren't that stupid.

I've just picked up something on another thread here. Does anyone know anymore about this? Has anyone heard of FF canvassers urging 'No' voters not to vote? This unbelievable if it is true! Whatever happened to "Rock the Vote" and get out and vote regardless of what way you are voting. Is this not a form of voter suppression??

I don't believe this. I think this is a lie.

If is it true and those no voters are so thick they believe it, then perhaps they shouldn't have been given the vote in the first place.

[returning officer]

As we speak there is an Indian volunteer posting Fine Gael Vote YES leaflets in the doors on my road. Apart from volunteers posting leaflets, there has been no one come around here(Dublin SW) from any party canvassing for a YES or NO vote. But I can relate to yourself in that anyone I ask seems to be voting NO, which won't be surprising as apparantly they're expecting a large NO vote from Dublin SW and surrounding areas.

Maybe FG have to depend on Non nationals to do their dirty work as their own party members dont believe in this sham treaty.

I'm sure that this has been pointed out to you before, but a non-national is one is who has no nationality (eg the USSR man in space in 1991/Palestinians left stateless), a non-Irish national is a person who is not native to Ireland.

It is very irritating..as is this thread.

Here is the definition from the Immigration Act 1999.

“non-national” means an alien within the meaning of the Act of 1935 other than an alien to whom, by virtue of an order under section 10 of that Act, none of the provisions of that Act applies;


If you object to this definition please take it up with the Minister for Justice.Until its changed I will continue to use it.

An Alien in the 1935 Act is "2.—In this Act the word "alien" means a person who is not a citizen of Saorstát Eireann."

But section 10 provides for the power to exempt citizens of certain countries from application of provisions of the Act.

The members of the 26 other EU countries have such exemptions (through various acts inculding the one you cited) and are therfore not aliens. So when you refer to non-nationals, I didn't realise you meant non-EU nationals. Thanks for clarifying - you are more pro-EU than I thought. And since the leafleteer was an Indian is was indeed a non-EU national, therefore is a non-national, unless of course he has a working/education visa, but there is no information on whether our good friend above checked his papers.

[Kerrygold]

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Well FFers have been telling some people around Dublin, who are no voters, that they don't need to vote as that will count as a no vote.[/color]

I just hope people aren't that stupid.

I've just picked up something on another thread here. Does anyone know anymore about this? Has anyone heard of FF canvassers urging 'No' voters not to vote? This unbelievable if it is true! Whatever happened to "Rock the Vote" and get out and vote regardless of what way you are voting. Is this not a form of voter suppression??

I don't believe this. I think this is a lie.

If is it true and those no voters are so thick they believe it, then perhaps they shouldn't have been given the vote in the first place.

Yeah good idea, take the vote away from all the gob************************es out there. Where would it leave FF? :mrgreen: