Are FF canvassers urging 'No' voters not to vote?

[Defeated Romanticist]

[quote=Universal_001][quote="Defeated Romanticist":14m10tq0]

Ofcourse No voters shouldn't vote. Most of them don't know why they are voting according to the last polls and if you don't know don't vote!

What about the 'Yes' voters who are voting 'Yes'' , because they are afraid Ireland will be embarrased in Europe if we vote 'No'
I think they make up 26% of the 'Yes' vote according to the recent Irish Times poll!

I think that's a reasonable motivation for voting Yes.[/quote:14m10tq0]

to prevent Brian Cowen being embrassed?
are you serious?
if hes that fragile he should not be Taoseach[/quote:14m10tq0]
Brian Cowen is a big boy (although not as tall as you'd think). I'm more worried about Ireland's reputation as a productive member of the EU. Given who insubstantial this treaty is I think that is a legitimate consideration when voting on this treaty.

[Universal_001]

[quote=Defeated Romanticist][quote="Universal_001":2s8hcnt4][quote="Defeated Romanticist":2s8hcnt4]

Ofcourse No voters shouldn't vote. Most of them don't know why they are voting according to the last polls and if you don't know don't vote!

What about the 'Yes' voters who are voting 'Yes'' , because they are afraid Ireland will be embarrased in Europe if we vote 'No'
I think they make up 26% of the 'Yes' vote according to the recent Irish Times poll!

I think that's a reasonable motivation for voting Yes.[/quote:2s8hcnt4]

to prevent Brian Cowen being embrassed?
are you serious?
if hes that fragile he should not be Taoseach[/quote:2s8hcnt4]
Brian Cowen is a big boy (although not as tall as you'd think). I'm more worried about Ireland's reputation as a productive member of the EU. Given who insubstantial this treaty is I think that is a legitimate consideration when voting on this treaty.[/quote:2s8hcnt4]

It didn't seem to do france any harm when they rejected it.
In fact it did them so little harm they;re not threatening us if we vote no, so they clearly still have their influence

[A_man_about_a_dog]

Ofcourse No voters shouldn't vote. Most of them don't know why they are voting according to the last polls and if you don't know don't vote!

What you should have said was that "people who don't know why they are voting should not vote", not what you've written above. What you've written above sounds like the words of a Yes campaigner who is extremely worried about tomorrows vote and the subsequent result. In fact you appear to be so worried that you've been reduced to saying that "of course No voters shouldn't vote", that's pretty damn desperate IMO.

[vid]

people invoke the three parties argument but i think our political system is a kind of party dictatorship that strives to stifle internal debate. Look in the Uk you had labour people who voted against the treaty ratifcation, tories who voted for it and lib dems who split both ways.most for of course but some anti
In France in 05 socialist politicans supported both sides even though the party majority was in favour and also some of Chirac's UMP campaigned for the no side.
However here politicans have to be like fundmentalists agreeing every policy 100%. Is that a healty situation for our democracy or our country

[dub006]

people invoke the three parties argument but i think our political system is a kind of party dictatorship that strives to stifle internal debate. Look in the Uk you had labour people who voted against the treaty ratifcation, tories who voted for it and lib dems who split both ways.most for of course but some anti
In France in 05 socialist politicans supported both sides even though the party majority was in favour and also some of Chirac's UMP campaigned for the no side.
However here politicans have to be like fundmentalists agreeing every policy 100%. Is that a healty situation for our democracy or our country

well thats one positive thing that will come out of this referendum.

Many people are now realising the political system is rigged to favour the interests of an establishment elite.

I have asked on several site here what benefits do I have from Europe...the best anyone could come up with was freedom to travel and work.....we always had the freedom to travel and work in the UK.The right to work in the rest of europe is irrelevant as so few do.

The way our politicians are campaigning for the Lisbon treaty is at odds with most peoples experience of so called EU benefits.
The suspicion is we must get in step for for their largesse.