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About LinkBacksWas thinking that if the Lisbon treaty is defeated, will BC roll out another referendum in two months and actually get up of his rear and actually organise a yes campaign, or will he just let it die?
Was thinking that if the Lisbon treaty is defeated, will BC roll out another referendum in two months and actually get up of his rear and actually organise a yes campaign, or will he just let it die?
There should not be a second referendum until very major renegotiations and changes to this Treaty. I would want:
A: An opt-out from the Charter of Fundamental Rights, like Poland and the UK. That would be an absolute minimum to get me to even consider voting for a rerun.
B: The new voting system halving the Irish weighted vote must be scrapped.
C: We should keep our Commissioner.
D: A new Protocol enshrining Ireland's right to set its own taxes and guaranteeing Irish-based companies could not be forced to pay CCCTB taxes to foreign govts.
E: An opt-out from mutual defence pact in Article 28A.
F: The scrapping of Article 48 so we can continue to have referendums on EU treaties. A new amendment to the Irish Constitution banning the govt from agreeing to give up more vetoes or more sovereignty without a referendum first would be a possible solution too.
G: Holding onto our vetoes except on space-policy.
Without this I will just vote no again.
I don't think so.Originally Posted by Supermanpolitician
I think the Government will secure so some of minor protocol that they can claim resolves and constitutional issues or concerns, ratify the thing through the Oireachtas and take their chances in the Courts, where they'll win.
A demagogue is someone who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
Don't worry. You and your phalanx of lunatics will never be given the opportunity to vote on this again.
A demagogue is someone who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
Are you a double agent?Don't worry. You and your phalanx of lunatics will never be given the opportunity to vote on this again.
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That's very pro-Ireland; is there anything you'd like to see renegotiated in the Treaty that would be pro-Europe?
I doubt it, this is already plan B and I don't see what the EU can do. On top of that this was considered a good deal for small states and the irish government were happy it.
"Give us the future, we've had enough of YOUR past, Give us back our country, to live in, to grow in and to love..."
How is removing our over-representation in voting-weight on the Council of Ministers and reducing Malta's by 90% (!) a good deal for small countries?
The Irish govt are also happy with the health-service and look at that.
The above is pro-Europe in that it protects the sovereignty of the nations of Europe which is what the peoples of Europe want.
Rocky: Just curious, but who considers Lisbon a good deal for small states? To me the changes regarding voting in Lisbon run in favour of the small states and in favour of the large states. Could you expain your position?
Is there indeed even need for further Treaties at this stage? Wouldn't certain structural things be better executed if there was more harmony and integration between nations - regulatory bodies, business tax, energy co-operation and co-operation in terms of the environment the likes of which wouldn't need a constitution-type treaty..
