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    Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    Europe is preparing a “Plan B” including concessions to Ireland if we vote NO
    Kathy Sinnott MEP has verified proof that Europeans are already actively considering a Plan B in the event of an Irish rejection of the Lisbon Treaty on the 12th of June. The latest indication came from the French National Assembly Delegation President Mr. Pierre Lequiller. Mr Lequiller was hosting the German Bundestag European Affairs Committee visit to Paris on 15th May. In his welcoming remarks he stated that the Irish referendum remained an alarming question because of the uncertainty of its outcome. Speaking of the probability of a negative outcome of the referendum he went on to say "In this case, it would undoubtedly be necessary to ask for a new vote after the adoption of a certain number of amendments, as was done for the treaty of Nice." This despite Brian Cowen's assertion that there is no Plan B.

    Kathy Sinnott says, "After discovering this document it became clear that we are being told there is no Plan B to pressure us into voting yes. This pressure is not just from our own political leaders, but also from the European leaders they bring over here to help them. This may feel like blackmail to some, but actually it feels more like the tactics of a used car salesman: if you don't buy this nicely polished one right now, it will be gone in the morning and you will be out of luck. What this revelation about Europe’s Plan B tells us is that a NO vote will be better for Ireland. They are already planning the concessions they will offer us, all we need do is vote NO to get them. I call on Brian Cowen to be honest with the voters and admit that the current treaty is not “the best deal” available to us."

    Mr. Lequiller also let it slip that for the moment they would have to yield to Irish opposition to fiscal harmonisation and continue to hide their plans for European defence.
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    There you have it folks. Why won't people vote NO to this bad deal and get a better deal for Ireland. Why such a sellout? It is shameful. VOTE NO FOR A BETTER DEAL FOR IRELAND.

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    Re: Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by hibernia_free
    Europe is preparing a “Plan B” including concessions to Ireland if we vote NO
    Kathy Sinnott MEP has verified proof that Europeans are already actively considering a Plan B in the event of an Irish rejection of the Lisbon Treaty on the 12th of June. The latest indication came from the French National Assembly Delegation President Mr. Pierre Lequiller. Mr Lequiller was hosting the German Bundestag European Affairs Committee visit to Paris on 15th May. In his welcoming remarks he stated that the Irish referendum remained an alarming question because of the uncertainty of its outcome. Speaking of the probability of a negative outcome of the referendum he went on to say "In this case, it would undoubtedly be necessary to ask for a new vote after the adoption of a certain number of amendments, as was done for the treaty of Nice." This despite Brian Cowen's assertion that there is no Plan B.

    Kathy Sinnott says, "After discovering this document it became clear that we are being told there is no Plan B to pressure us into voting yes. This pressure is not just from our own political leaders, but also from the European leaders they bring over here to help them. This may feel like blackmail to some, but actually it feels more like the tactics of a used car salesman: if you don't buy this nicely polished one right now, it will be gone in the morning and you will be out of luck. What this revelation about Europe’s Plan B tells us is that a NO vote will be better for Ireland. They are already planning the concessions they will offer us, all we need do is vote NO to get them. I call on Brian Cowen to be honest with the voters and admit that the current treaty is not “the best deal” available to us."

    Mr. Lequiller also let it slip that for the moment they would have to yield to Irish opposition to fiscal harmonisation and continue to hide their plans for European defence.
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    There you have it folks. Why won't people vote NO to this bad deal and get a better deal for Ireland. Why such a sellout? It is shameful. VOTE NO FOR A BETTER DEAL FOR IRELAND.
    Can she proove what she is saying.. if she can, can you please provide the links... Kathy Sinnot is on the no campaign so i believe she could be simply be exagerrating this so i will continue to vote yes because frankly she has lied on the palmplet she produced so i thing shes lying now

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    Re: Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    The Lisbon treaty is already a 'Plan B' after the Constitution was rejected by French and Dutch voters. Personally I would find a 'Plan C' a little unpaletable!

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    Re: Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    Hmm. What was changed between Nice I and Nice II was our amendments, afaik. What he's saying sounds like Plan B is a rerun like Nice II.
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    Re: Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    Shows that by voting no we can get a better deal. For me that would have to include an opt-out from the Charter like the UK and Poland have.

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    Re: Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by Fr. Dougal McGuire
    The Lisbon treaty is already a 'Plan B' after the Constitution was rejected by French and Dutch voters. Personally I would find a 'Plan C' a little unpaletable!
    Sounds like a Carlsberg advertisement.
    Why does it have to be Plan A or Plan B?
    Why not Plan C?
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    Re: Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    Whenever I hear anything from Kathy Sinnott I think:

    "June 2009 can't come soon enough"
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    Re: Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    In what way would this "Plan B" be better for Ireland?
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    Re: Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Shows that by voting no we can get a better deal. For me that would have to include an opt-out from the Charter like the UK and Poland have.
    Ya, who wants those pesky rights. I presume you'd also be in favour of an "opt-out" from the Bill of Rights in the US?
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    Re: Europe has a “Plan B” if Ireland rejects Lisbon Treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    In what way would this "Plan B" be better for Ireland?

    i presume with us being the SOLE obstacle to ratification we could blackmail the hell out of em.

    but thats just me

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