Ryan and Gormley: personal views

[ibis]

Via Breaking News:

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan highlighted the importance of the treaty in relation to energy security and climate change. "We are utterly dependent on our fellow EU member states for energy security," he told The Irish Times. "Ninety per cent of our gas comes from other EU countries."

Stressing the need to ensure a supply of gas, oil and electricity for Ireland's basic needs, he said: "We have no ability to provide such security for our people in the absence of co-operation from Europe."

His experience at EU level showed that "it is the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled".

"I have a real dread that failing to get this treaty through would cripple this whole climate change and energy security initiative."

Stressing that it was a personal view, he said: "As we face into a peak in global oil production, we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process."

Minister for the Environment John Gormley said the Greens had criticised the EU in the past for being a top-down organisation, but this was being addressed in the treaty. "A key reason for my decision to support the Lisbon Treaty is that it takes important steps towards remedying this. These include more direct lawmaking powers for the European Parliament and more supervisory powers for the Dáil and other national parliaments," he said.

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Via Breaking News:

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan highlighted the importance of the treaty in relation to energy security and climate change. "We are utterly dependent on our fellow EU member states for energy security," he told The Irish Times. "Ninety per cent of our gas comes from other EU countries."

Stressing the need to ensure a supply of gas, oil and electricity for Ireland's basic needs, he said: "We have no ability to provide such security for our people in the absence of co-operation from Europe."

His experience at EU level showed that "it is the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled".

"I have a real dread that failing to get this treaty through would cripple this whole climate change and energy security initiative."

Stressing that it was a personal view, he said: "As we face into a peak in global oil production, we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process."

Minister for the Environment John Gormley said the Greens had criticised the EU in the past for being a top-down organisation, but this was being addressed in the treaty. "A key reason for my decision to support the Lisbon Treaty is that it takes important steps towards remedying this. These include more direct lawmaking powers for the European Parliament and more supervisory powers for the Dáil and other national parliaments," he said.

Bit rich Biffo having a go FG and Labour for their Lisbon campaigns when his own partners in Govt can't even take a position on it!

[thebarfly1]

Via Breaking News:

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan highlighted the importance of the treaty in relation to energy security and climate change. "We are utterly dependent on our fellow EU member states for energy security," he told The Irish Times. "Ninety per cent of our gas comes from other EU countries."

Stressing the need to ensure a supply of gas, oil and electricity for Ireland's basic needs, he said: "We have no ability to provide such security for our people in the absence of co-operation from Europe."

His experience at EU level showed that "it is the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled".

"I have a real dread that failing to get this treaty through would cripple this whole climate change and energy security initiative."

Stressing that it was a personal view, he said: "As we face into a peak in global oil production, we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process."

Minister for the Environment John Gormley said the Greens had criticised the EU in the past for being a top-down organisation, but this was being addressed in the treaty. "A key reason for my decision to support the Lisbon Treaty is that it takes important steps towards remedying this. These include more direct lawmaking powers for the European Parliament and more supervisory powers for the Dáil and other national parliaments," he said.

Ah for gods sake...

They're trying to say that if we vote no the lads in mainland europe will cut off our imports of gas.

Scaremongering yet again.

[meriwether]

Our dependence on Arabs for oil and Gazprom for gas is a pet peeve of mine.
The Green ministers are right (and usually are about this sort of stuff).

[cactus flower]

Via Breaking News:

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan highlighted the importance of the treaty in relation to energy security and climate change. "We are utterly dependent on our fellow EU member states for energy security," he told The Irish Times. "Ninety per cent of our gas comes from other EU countries."

Stressing the need to ensure a supply of gas, oil and electricity for Ireland's basic needs, he said: "We have no ability to provide such security for our people in the absence of co-operation from Europe."

His experience at EU level showed that "it is the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled".

"I have a real dread that failing to get this treaty through would cripple this whole climate change and energy security initiative."

Stressing that it was a personal view, he said: "As we face into a peak in global oil production, we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process."

Minister for the Environment John Gormley said the Greens had criticised the EU in the past for being a top-down organisation, but this was being addressed in the treaty. "A key reason for my decision to support the Lisbon Treaty is that it takes important steps towards remedying this. These include more direct lawmaking powers for the European Parliament and more supervisory powers for the Dáil and other national parliaments," he said.

Ah for gods sake...

They're trying to say that if we vote no the lads in mainland europe will cut off our imports of gas.

Scaremongering yet again.

How strange that there is no mention of the potential to reduce our dependency on fossil fuels. What is the Green Party strategy on fossil fuel dependency?

How is "co-operation from europe" going to ensure our supply. Europe is increasingly dependent on Russia and other non EU countries for gas, and when the Russians last stopped supply the UK only had a 3 weeks worth in store. Perhaps we should make an alliance with Russia? I really can't fathom what the statement is supposed to mean.

This article from Euractiv says it better than I can:


With Gazprom actively seeking stakes in the European and particuarly the German energy market, a new report warns about a 'clash of agendas' between the EU and Russia that will increasingly undermine the security of Europe's energy supply.

The EU's dependancy on Russian gas is increasing steadily, and is expected to go from 25% (the current level of dependency) to 50% by 2030, according to the Commission.

Colette Lewiner, one of the authors of the report, told Reuters that the planned construction in Europe of numerous new fossil fuel power plants, most of which rely on imports of oil, coal or gas (notably from Russia), is incoherent with respect to the EU's objective of increasing supply security while decreasing CO2 emissions.

http://www.euractiv.com/en/energy/eu...article-168295

I don't see that that is a picture of "the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled". It is also worrying that the Minster does not seem to know where the gas comes from.

[borntorum]

Via Breaking News:

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan highlighted the importance of the treaty in relation to energy security and climate change. "We are utterly dependent on our fellow EU member states for energy security," he told The Irish Times. "Ninety per cent of our gas comes from other EU countries."

Stressing the need to ensure a supply of gas, oil and electricity for Ireland's basic needs, he said: "We have no ability to provide such security for our people in the absence of co-operation from Europe."

His experience at EU level showed that "it is the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled".

"I have a real dread that failing to get this treaty through would cripple this whole climate change and energy security initiative."

Stressing that it was a personal view, he said: "As we face into a peak in global oil production, we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process."

Minister for the Environment John Gormley said the Greens had criticised the EU in the past for being a top-down organisation, but this was being addressed in the treaty. "A key reason for my decision to support the Lisbon Treaty is that it takes important steps towards remedying this. These include more direct lawmaking powers for the European Parliament and more supervisory powers for the Dáil and other national parliaments," he said.

Unbelieveable scaremongering from Ryan. I thought the Greens were above this sort of thing. What sort of Union is it if we're going to be cut off for voting No (which is the clear implication of his remarks)?

[ibis]

Via Breaking News:

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan highlighted the importance of the treaty in relation to energy security and climate change. "We are utterly dependent on our fellow EU member states for energy security," he told The Irish Times. "Ninety per cent of our gas comes from other EU countries."

Stressing the need to ensure a supply of gas, oil and electricity for Ireland's basic needs, he said: "We have no ability to provide such security for our people in the absence of co-operation from Europe."

His experience at EU level showed that "it is the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled".

"I have a real dread that failing to get this treaty through would cripple this whole climate change and energy security initiative."

Stressing that it was a personal view, he said: "As we face into a peak in global oil production, we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process."

Minister for the Environment John Gormley said the Greens had criticised the EU in the past for being a top-down organisation, but this was being addressed in the treaty. "A key reason for my decision to support the Lisbon Treaty is that it takes important steps towards remedying this. These include more direct lawmaking powers for the European Parliament and more supervisory powers for the Dáil and other national parliaments," he said.

Unbelieveable scaremongering from Ryan. I thought the Greens were above this sort of thing. What sort of Union is it if we're going to be cut off for voting No (which is the clear implication of his remarks)?

Hmm. No, I think he's pointing out that there's no point in claiming that QMV on energy policy will damage Ireland "Irish" energy policy - because we don't have one. We're part of a European energy system, so we are going to have to address our energy issues within the context of Europe, like it or not.

[myksav]

Via Breaking News:

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan highlighted the importance of the treaty in relation to energy security and climate change. "We are utterly dependent on our fellow EU member states for energy security," he told The Irish Times. "Ninety per cent of our gas comes from other EU countries."

Stressing the need to ensure a supply of gas, oil and electricity for Ireland's basic needs, he said: "We have no ability to provide such security for our people in the absence of co-operation from Europe."

His experience at EU level showed that "it is the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled".

"I have a real dread that failing to get this treaty through would cripple this whole climate change and energy security initiative."

Stressing that it was a personal view, he said: "As we face into a peak in global oil production, we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process."

Minister for the Environment John Gormley said the Greens had criticised the EU in the past for being a top-down organisation, but this was being addressed in the treaty. "A key reason for my decision to support the Lisbon Treaty is that it takes important steps towards remedying this. These include more direct lawmaking powers for the European Parliament and more supervisory powers for the Dáil and other national parliaments," he said.

Thank you for posting that, ibis. It proves our politicians don't know what they are talking about.
Where are the gas and oil fields within the EU area that E. Ryan is talking about?
The last I checked, the gas comes from Russia, not a member of the EU.
The oil comes from OPEC, not in the EU.

And as for "we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process.". We have a huge natural energy source sitting on our west coast, it's called the Atlantic. The energy available from the Atlantic would be sufficient to electrify the entire EU.

And Gormley wants to give more control to Brussels and reduce our Parliament to a caretaker status.

And these are our elected politicians?

mike

By the way, did you forget to put your opinion on your post?

[ibis]

Via Breaking News:

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan highlighted the importance of the treaty in relation to energy security and climate change. "We are utterly dependent on our fellow EU member states for energy security," he told The Irish Times. "Ninety per cent of our gas comes from other EU countries."

Stressing the need to ensure a supply of gas, oil and electricity for Ireland's basic needs, he said: "We have no ability to provide such security for our people in the absence of co-operation from Europe."

His experience at EU level showed that "it is the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled".

"I have a real dread that failing to get this treaty through would cripple this whole climate change and energy security initiative."

Stressing that it was a personal view, he said: "As we face into a peak in global oil production, we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process."

Minister for the Environment John Gormley said the Greens had criticised the EU in the past for being a top-down organisation, but this was being addressed in the treaty. "A key reason for my decision to support the Lisbon Treaty is that it takes important steps towards remedying this. These include more direct lawmaking powers for the European Parliament and more supervisory powers for the Dáil and other national parliaments," he said.

Thank you for posting that, ibis. It proves our politicians don't know what they are talking about.
Where are the gas and oil fields within the EU area that E. Ryan is talking about?
The last I checked, the gas comes from Russia, not a member of the EU.
The oil comes from OPEC, not in the EU.

And as for "we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process.". We have a huge natural energy source sitting on our west coast, it's called the Atlantic. The energy available from the Atlantic would be sufficient to electrify the entire EU.

And Gormley wants to give more control to Brussels and reduce our Parliament to a caretaker status.

And these are our elected politicians?

mike

By the way, did you forget to put your opinion on your post?

North Sea. It's on the map. There are oil and gas fields throughout the EU - I worked on a rig outside Lincoln, and there are oil rigs in Surrey. Our head office was in France, where there are fields outside Peaux.



Sure, we can source our electricity from the Atlantic, once wave generators are more than experimental, and people have got over their rooted opposition to having anything built in their back yard, thank you very much. Care to guess how much of our current electricity comes from renewables?

[thebarfly1]

Via Breaking News:

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources Eamon Ryan highlighted the importance of the treaty in relation to energy security and climate change. "We are utterly dependent on our fellow EU member states for energy security," he told The Irish Times. "Ninety per cent of our gas comes from other EU countries."

Stressing the need to ensure a supply of gas, oil and electricity for Ireland's basic needs, he said: "We have no ability to provide such security for our people in the absence of co-operation from Europe."

His experience at EU level showed that "it is the only progressive forum in which the issues of energy security and climate change are being tackled".

"I have a real dread that failing to get this treaty through would cripple this whole climate change and energy security initiative."

Stressing that it was a personal view, he said: "As we face into a peak in global oil production, we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process."

Minister for the Environment John Gormley said the Greens had criticised the EU in the past for being a top-down organisation, but this was being addressed in the treaty. "A key reason for my decision to support the Lisbon Treaty is that it takes important steps towards remedying this. These include more direct lawmaking powers for the European Parliament and more supervisory powers for the Dáil and other national parliaments," he said.

Thank you for posting that, ibis. It proves our politicians don't know what they are talking about.
Where are the gas and oil fields within the EU area that E. Ryan is talking about?
The last I checked, the gas comes from Russia, not a member of the EU.
The oil comes from OPEC, not in the EU.

And as for "we can only provide ourselves with energy security through the European process.". We have a huge natural energy source sitting on our west coast, it's called the Atlantic. The energy available from the Atlantic would be sufficient to electrify the entire EU.

And Gormley wants to give more control to Brussels and reduce our Parliament to a caretaker status.

And these are our elected politicians?

mike

By the way, did you forget to put your opinion on your post?

North Sea. It's on the map. There are oil and gas fields throughout the EU - I worked on a rig outside Lincoln, and there are oil rigs in Surrey. Our head office was in France, where there are fields outside Peaux.

Sure, we can source our electricity from the Atlantic, once wave generators are more than experimental, and people have got over their rooted opposition to having anything built in their back yard, thank you very much. Care to guess how much of our current electricity comes from renewables?

Plenty. We generate more electricity from renewables than we use.