[quote=Twin Towers]We would "know" in the same way as any sensible country that can have managed immigrant labour without mass invasion.Originally Posted by "Irish Liberty Forum":2ww04g6b
How does Australia know?[/quote:2ww04g6b]
I would hardly cite Australia as a shining example of sensible immigration policy.
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[quote=Twin Towers]You were talking about Labour were you not? At least thats what you said you found interesting.
Now you seem to have jumped to the make up of a population.[/quote:1mrycxlm]
Has there been a misunderstanding? Trampas said "we could have all the labour we needed...", I asked how he knew how much labour we needed, you said that we would know in the same was that Australia knew, and I said why I thought the idea was strange. That's all that happened.
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Why what is wrong with it?
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Quotes from the No side with regard to taxation, neutrality and abortion from the Nice referendum please. I do not recall those points being made quite the same way in the 2001/2002 referenda. Indeed this would only be as expected - they are two very different legal documents. Nice was incremental while Lisbon is revolutionary (formerly being called the EU Constitution after all, and giving the EU primacy over Irish National Laws and the Irish Constitution). Those arguments would have little basis as a consequence of Nice directly, however they are very real this time round.The "No" side used many of the same arguments during the the Nice Referendum they're using now against Lisbon, yet all they're dire predictions in relation to taxation, neutrality and abortion didn't happen.
They've cried wolf once too often to be believed this time
However, if it is the case that the Nice Treaty led to the Lisbon Treaty, the latter being a revolutionary new framework which probably will change our tax, defence and abortion policies against our will, can it be said that the No side from Nice will ultimately be right?
Of course, the No voting and campaigning blocs have changed substantially between Nice and Lisbon, that's another point you are missing.
Why what is wrong with it?[/quote:1nhtrn45][quote:1nhtrn45]I would hardly cite Australia as a shining example of sensible immigration policy.
I'd say for the pro-mass immigration camp, the main problem is that it's not open borders. Though it may well change by the time Australia's newly elected Labour Government are finished.
Marxists, Feminists and Leftists operate on the basis of "liberating tolerance" - i.e. their ideas should be tolerated, and any opposition should be suppressed.
The fundamental point of the EU is free movement of goods, services and people regardless of Nice, Lisbon or any other treaty so this immigration thing is a complete red herring.
As part of the accession negotiations some countries restricted movement of people but that was for limited period.
I did notice this and it seems to me that the No side are getting significantly more media coverage than the Yes side and a lot the Yes coverage seems to have a negative slant to it.
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on what planet?I did notice this and it seems to me that the No side are getting significantly more media coverage than the Yes side and a lot the Yes coverage seems to have a negative slant to it.
“Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth."
Hindu Prince Gautama Siddharta, the founder of Buddhism.
Real conservatives recognise that neocons aren't.
So the problem was how Ireland gave extra rights to East Europeans and 12 countries didn't.
That would suggest 15 countries had a sovereign right to decide their immigration policies and the EU did not dictate anything on immigration.
Ireland and not the EU decided our immigration policy.
Again our Govt. opted to go this route, not the EU. I think you should take your grievance up with the Govt. not the EU.
The Govt. changed the criteria for Bulgaria and Romania which would suggest we have power to choose our immigration controls.
The establishment are used to having all the media line up behind them, sheep-like, for most referenda, and especially for any matters concerning Europe. Of course, the house journal of Official Ireland, the Irish Times, can always be relied upon to toe the sanctioned line.
For that reason all true democrats should welcome the fact that a serious, mainstream paper like the Sunday Times is providing readers with a different viewpoint. Ireland needs more diversity in its media, not less. Also, I thought it interesting that the only organ distributing a copy of the treaty so far is the Sunday Times. What does it tell us that No supporters want the treaty to be read, but Yes people seem less willing to publicise it?
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