WellOriginally Posted by Limerick Lad
I was talking to a friend of mine who recently had to sign on and she was saying there was only a handful of Irish compared to the huge amount of foreign people at the dole office! So that prediction might come true!
Food tastes better when you put it all together! It's the one best mayonnaise!
It is true all right. And there was no need for it. We could have had all the labour we needed without giving East European the rights that were denied to them by 12 of the other 15 states.Well
Just wondering: how do you know how much labour "we" "need"?It is true all right. And there was no need for it. We could have had all the labour we needed without giving East European the rights that were denied to them by 12 of the other 15 states.Well
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[quote=Irish Liberty Forum]Just wondering: how do you know how much labour "we" "need"?[/quote:h2sk8162]It is true all right. And there was no need for it. We could have had all the labour we needed without giving East European the rights that were denied to them by 12 of the other 15 states.Well
A modified system of work permits would have solved any difficulties. Instead we gave East Europeans and their families the same rights as we had ourselves, even though 12 of the 15 did not. This issue will come to the fore fairly soon when the 45,000 Irish on the housing list realise that they are in competition with newly arrived families.
We would "know" in the same way as any sensible country that can have managed immigrant labour without mass invasion.
How does Australia know?
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
The collective memory is very short here, they would deny to others here what was and is still freely available to Irish citizens in Britain when we as a country were facing financial meltdown. What a miserable shower of begrudgers some people are.It is true all right. And there was no need for it. We could have had all the labour we needed without giving East European the rights that were denied to them by 12 of the other 15 states.Well
RTE are the most biased. They are always stacking their panels with yes people. Only tonight they were at it again with Varadkar and Dermot Ahern against Caroline Simons. I accept that the British-owned press tends to be more critical of the Treaty (ironically given they used to rule over us but welcome), but taken in the round, the Irish press are very biased against those who dissent from the Eurofederalist hymnsheet. The recent attempts by the SBP to link Libertas to Iraq and now with the Austrian Far Right are part of this.
It wasn't xenophobia. It was a correct and factual prediction by elements of the no side like Anthony Coughlan that mass-migration of cheap labour would come West after Enlargement. Whatever you may feel about the motivation, these predictions came through. And furthermore figures on the yes side such as Willie O'Dea, Dick Roche and Pronsias de Rossa actually stated that the claims of mass migration if Nice went through were wrong. Rememberthe prediction of just 12,000 per annum?It was xenophobia, without workers coming to Ireland from Eastern Europe most of the service industries in Ireland would have ground to a halt, most of those who were unemployed in Ireland during the boom were either unemployable or chose not to work at a time of virtual full employment.
Leaving aside the question as to whether immigration is a good thing or not, the issue here is one of credibility. The yes side were proven wrong in their predictions on this issue, so why should we believe them now?
Nothing to do with begrudgery, there's unique and historical reasons why Britain and Ireland have these reciprocal arrangements.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
[quote=Twin Towers]We would "know" in the same way as any sensible country that can have managed immigrant labour without mass invasion.
How does Australia know?[/quote:3rkq5gpr]
I just find that sort of interesting. It's a collectivist way of looking at things to say that a country can "know" how many people should live there. For example, Dublin doesn't put a quota on people from the West invading it. London doesn't require work permits from people in Manchester. But if there are invisible lines called borders in the way, then it all changes... there are all sorts of arguments brought up to prevent people from moving freely. Yet these arguments rest only on the historical accidents of where the borders ended up.
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You were talking about Labour were you not? At least thats what you said you found interesting.
Now you seem to have jumped to the make up of a population.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
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