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    Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

    I know they can vote in Local Elections but not in General Elections. What is the position on Lisbon Treaty Referendum, can they vote in the forthcoming referendum?

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    Re: Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

    Nope.

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    Re: Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Nope.
    OK, that is what I was looking for. Another poster said they could, so I wasn't sure.

    How do they differentiate between EU citizens and Irish citizens on the Electoral Register? Are you asked to define your citizenship when you go on the Electoral Register first. It be must be very tempting for the "Yes" side to send polling cards out to EU citizens in a close race! There won't be the same checks as in a General Election.

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    Re: Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

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    I know they can vote in Local Elections but not in General Elections. What is the position on Lisbon Treaty Referendum, can they vote in the forthcoming referendum?
    No.

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    Re: Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by QuestionsQuigley
    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Nope.
    OK, that is what I was looking for. Another poster said they could, so I wasn't sure.

    How do they differentiate between EU citizens and Irish citizens on the Electoral Register? Are you asked to define your citizenship when you go on the Electoral Register first. It be must be very tempting for the "Yes" side to send polling cards out to EU citizens in a close race! There won't be the same checks as in a General Election.
    There are exactly the same checks, afaik. You have to be on the Register, and your status on the Register determines what you're entitled to vote on. Why would it be tempting for the Yes side to send out such cards? Are "Europeans" somehow automatically in favour of Lisbon?
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    Re: Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by ibis
    Quote Originally Posted by QuestionsQuigley
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    Nope.
    OK, that is what I was looking for. Another poster said they could, so I wasn't sure.

    How do they differentiate between EU citizens and Irish citizens on the Electoral Register? Are you asked to define your citizenship when you go on the Electoral Register first. It be must be very tempting for the "Yes" side to send polling cards out to EU citizens in a close race! There won't be the same checks as in a General Election.
    There are exactly the same checks, afaik. You have to be on the Register, and your status on the Register determines what you're entitled to vote on. Why would it be tempting for the Yes side to send out such cards? Are "Europeans" somehow automatically in favour of Lisbon?
    I wouldn't say they are automatically in favour of Lisbon, but at a guess I would say EU citizens who are living in Ireland would be 70/30 in favour(not scientific) Europe has been good for them, it has opened up opportunities. If I was an EU citizen living in Ireland I would vote yes. As an Irish citizen living in Ireland, I will be voting no, because it is Irish Sovereignity which is at stake here.

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    Re: Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by QuestionsQuigley
    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Nope.
    OK, that is what I was looking for. Another poster said they could, so I wasn't sure.

    How do they differentiate between EU citizens and Irish citizens on the Electoral Register? Are you asked to define your citizenship when you go on the Electoral Register first. It be must be very tempting for the "Yes" side to send polling cards out to EU citizens in a close race! There won't be the same checks as in a General Election.
    Are you familiar with the electoral register? Do you know who sends out polling cards?

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    Re: Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by QuestionsQuigley
    Quote Originally Posted by ibis
    Quote Originally Posted by QuestionsQuigley
    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Nope.
    OK, that is what I was looking for. Another poster said they could, so I wasn't sure.

    How do they differentiate between EU citizens and Irish citizens on the Electoral Register? Are you asked to define your citizenship when you go on the Electoral Register first. It be must be very tempting for the "Yes" side to send polling cards out to EU citizens in a close race! There won't be the same checks as in a General Election.
    There are exactly the same checks, afaik. You have to be on the Register, and your status on the Register determines what you're entitled to vote on. Why would it be tempting for the Yes side to send out such cards? Are "Europeans" somehow automatically in favour of Lisbon?
    I wouldn't say they are automatically in favour of Lisbon, but at a guess I would say EU citizens who are living in Ireland would be 70/30 in favour(not scientific) Europe has been good for them, it has opened up opportunities. If I was an EU citizen living in Ireland I would vote yes. As an Irish citizen living in Ireland, I will be voting no, because it is Irish Sovereignity which is at stake here.
    Which, in turn, is why non-Irish citizens don't get to vote.
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    Re: Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by QuestionsQuigley
    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Nope.
    OK, that is what I was looking for. Another poster said they could, so I wasn't sure.

    How do they differentiate between EU citizens and Irish citizens on the Electoral Register? Are you asked to define your citizenship when you go on the Electoral Register first. It be must be very tempting for the "Yes" side to send polling cards out to EU citizens in a close race! There won't be the same checks as in a General Election.
    I think you have to be born here, for one. Also, the grandfather clause may apply if one has Irish citizenship and is resident here long enough to fulfill the citizenship requirements.
    For example, an American married to an Irish person and resident here for 40 years cannot vote in referenda here. The same applies to non-Irish born within the EU.

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    Re: Can EU citizens vote on the Lisbon Treaty Referendum?

    Quote Originally Posted by mmclo
    Quote Originally Posted by QuestionsQuigley
    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Nope.
    OK, that is what I was looking for. Another poster said they could, so I wasn't sure.

    How do they differentiate between EU citizens and Irish citizens on the Electoral Register? Are you asked to define your citizenship when you go on the Electoral Register first. It be must be very tempting for the "Yes" side to send polling cards out to EU citizens in a close race! There won't be the same checks as in a General Election.
    Are you familiar with the electoral register? Do you know who sends out polling cards?
    Haven't looked at an electoral register for a few years, but it used to have before people's names:
    L (vote in local elections only, i.e. from outside EU)
    E (vote in local and European elections only, i.e. EU citizen but not Irish citizen)
    D (vote in local, Dáil and European elections only, i.e. British citizen)
    and if there was nothing before your name you could vote in local, Dáil and European elections and referenda, i.e. Irish citizen)

    The local authority sends you your polling card and presumably their computer doesn't print out one for people who are L, E or D. Neither the "Yes" side nor the "No" side sends you a polling card, though they might send you their leaflets anyway. What will count when you get to the polling station is what's on the register, not what you've received through the post. E.g. if you're on the register and have a right to vote (i.e. you are an Irish citizen over 18 and haven't voted already) it doesn't matter if your polling card went astray; whether you have a polling card or not they can ask for your identity.

    When you first go on the electoral register (and for renewal) you are asked for your citizenship.

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