why is there so little mention of the French vote in 05

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One thing I cannot understanding is why there has been so little mentioned of the French and Dutch referendums on the EU Constitution in 05.Surely this provides another strong reason for a No vote. After all the Lisbon/Reform Treaty is just a slightly modified version of the EU Constitutional and this whole process is but a cynical attempted to deny a role to the people of Europe in determaining the future of the EU.

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I do not think a day goes by when we do not mention it!

Just read pretty much any of the Lisbon threads and you will see.

If you mean in the news or RTE in general, it is because it would be a reason to vote No and they do not like giving people that reason.

[corkman2007]

One thing I cannot understanding is why there has been so little mentioned of the French and Dutch referendums on the EU Constitution in 05.Surely this provides another strong reason for a No vote. After all the Lisbon/Reform Treaty is just a slightly modified version of the EU Constitutional and this whole process is but a cynical attempted to deny a role to the people of Europe in determaining the future of the EU.

Are you kidding? It's constantly mentioned.

Why is there so little mention of the Luxembourg and Spanish votes in favour?

[Trampas]

One thing I cannot understanding is why there has been so little mentioned of the French and Dutch referendums on the EU Constitution in 05.Surely this provides another strong reason for a No vote. After all the Lisbon/Reform Treaty is just a slightly modified version of the EU Constitutional and this whole process is but a cynical attempted to deny a role to the people of Europe in determaining the future of the EU.

A concerted campaign based on the French and Dutch votes can win this for the NO side. The charge is unanswerable and cannot be countered effectively by the YES side. Now if the NO campaigns would just stop trying to win the debate on the Treaty and start trying to win the referendum.

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One thing I cannot understanding is why there has been so little mentioned of the French and Dutch referendums on the EU Constitution in 05.Surely this provides another strong reason for a No vote. After all the Lisbon/Reform Treaty is just a slightly modified version of the EU Constitutional and this whole process is but a cynical attempted to deny a role to the people of Europe in determaining the future of the EU.

Are you kidding? It's constantly mentioned.

Why is there so little mention of the Luxembourg and Spanish votes in favour?

You constantly mention them Corkman, so there is no need!

[FutureTaoiseach]

Because most of the Irish media is controlled by the Eurofederalists, including the govt and the elites of the Irish press, other than the Irish Daily Mail of course. In spite of that, the yes side cannot rise above 35%. Says a lot about the good sense of the Irish people, who were put under huge media pressure to vote no to the Citizenship referendum by most of the same elites (other than the govt) but in their wisdom said yes.

[corkman2007]

One thing I cannot understanding is why there has been so little mentioned of the French and Dutch referendums on the EU Constitution in 05.Surely this provides another strong reason for a No vote. After all the Lisbon/Reform Treaty is just a slightly modified version of the EU Constitutional and this whole process is but a cynical attempted to deny a role to the people of Europe in determaining the future of the EU.

A concerted campaign based on the French and Dutch votes can win this for the NO side. The charge is unanswerable and cannot be countered effectively by the YES side. Now if the NO campaigns would just stop trying to win the debate on the Treaty and start trying to win the referendum.

It can be countered effectively. Spain. Luxembourg. 26.6 million 'Yes' voters; 22.6 million 'No' voters. 'Yes' majority of 3.9 million.

if the NO campaigns would just stop trying to win the debate on the Treaty

I agree. It's pretty tedious having to listen to the same lies repeated over and over again.

[Trampas]

One thing I cannot understanding is why there has been so little mentioned of the French and Dutch referendums on the EU Constitution in 05.Surely this provides another strong reason for a No vote. After all the Lisbon/Reform Treaty is just a slightly modified version of the EU Constitutional and this whole process is but a cynical attempted to deny a role to the people of Europe in determaining the future of the EU.

A concerted campaign based on the French and Dutch votes can win this for the NO side. The charge is unanswerable and cannot be countered effectively by the YES side. Now if the NO campaigns would just stop trying to win the debate on the Treaty and start trying to win the referendum.

It can be countered effectively. Spain. Luxembourg. 26.6 million 'Yes' voters; 22.6 million 'No' voters. 'Yes' majority of 3.9 million.

if the NO campaigns would just stop trying to win the debate on the Treaty

I agree. It's pretty tedious having to listen to the same lies repeated over and over again.

Nobody gives a hoot about Spain and Luxembourg. YES and NO votes do not have equal weight in a situation where unanimity is required.

[FutureTaoiseach]

It can be countered effectively. Spain. Luxembourg. 26.6 million 'Yes' voters; 22.6 million 'No' voters. 'Yes' majority of 3.9 million.

That is easily answered - a country only has the right to give up its own sovereignty. The peoples of Spain and Luxembourg can do that themselves. But they do not have the right to give up French and Dutch vetoes and force them into the institutional framework of Lisbon.

Also, unlike the French and Dutch votes were votes for the status-quo, and as such they are not taking anything from the aforementioned two countries, unlike the other way around with Spain and Luxembourg.

Anyway traditionally there has to be unanimous agreement for an EU treaty to go through.

[Rocky]

One thing I cannot understanding is why there has been so little mentioned of the French and Dutch referendums on the EU Constitution in 05.Surely this provides another strong reason for a No vote. After all the Lisbon/Reform Treaty is just a slightly modified version of the EU Constitutional and this whole process is but a cynical attempted to deny a role to the people of Europe in determaining the future of the EU.

A concerted campaign based on the French and Dutch votes can win this for the NO side. The charge is unanswerable and cannot be countered effectively by the YES side. Now if the NO campaigns would just stop trying to win the debate on the Treaty and start trying to win the referendum.

I think the no side gave up trying to debate the Treaty a long time ago.

On the issue of France and the Netherlands, I don't see why the way the democratically elected governments of the Netherlands and France, decide to ratify the Lisbon Treaty is Ireland's and the Irish people's business and vice versa.