32 CSM objections to Lisbon Treaty

[Fr. Hank Tree]

Since when does the view of an organisation that does not accept the legitimacy of the Irish state matter? If they don't accept its legitimacy, how can they have a view over what international treaties it should or should not sign? Or is it just a case that they are admitting their recognition or otherwise of the state is not worth a hill of beans, and they are trying to get involved in some real politics for a change? :P

But it's the people who are voting to allow the treaty. Therefore, 32csm are perfectly able to canvass the people without needing to address the question of whether the State is competent or not to execute the people's will. If the people do vote for it, and it's implemented by the Dáil and government, obviously this latter part of the process won't concern the 32csm, as they consider those entities void and lacking competence, as you say.

[junketman]

It's essentially a sovereignty argument, though. If I wanted to live in a world of competing nation-states, I might go for it. I don't, though, because the history of competing nation-states is littered with millions of corpses. That's without even considering the lunacy of a small island nation pushing for such a system, under which it never prospered.

Sure, use the millions of corpses as you say to beat us over the head.

Was Ireland involved in any way in creating those millions of corpses? Absolutely not.

Should we just abandon all our soverignty to the EU because of something we had no hand act or part in.

We have no guilt about the history of competing states nor should we and we shouldn't feel that if we don't vote Yes, then Germany will go to war with France which seems to be what you are saying will happen.

The reason for the millions of corpses was because the people blindly and without reservation followed their political leaders and never asked where are they bringing us.

Patriotism does not lead to war. Corrupt leaders lead nations to war.

[Geekzilla]

As a republican separatist organisation here is the 32CSM's position of the Lisbon Treaty
http://www.32csm.info/eucon.html

In other words: violent fanatics object to treaty.

[merle haggard]

unlike Brian Cowen though it appears the 32 csm took the trouble of actually reading it .