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    Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

    Good news for the "No" camp:

    CHAMBERS IRELAND: THE PRESIDENT-ELECT of Chambers Ireland has expressed his opposition to the Lisbon Treaty, despite the organisation’s call for a Yes vote in next month’s referendum.

    Dr Chris Coughlan said yesterday he was personally opposed to the treaty, although he respected the decision of Chambers Ireland to endorse it.

    Dr Coughlan, a senior executive at Hewlett-Packard’s European Software Centre in Galway, is a director of Libertas, which is campaigning for a No vote......

    The organisation, which represents 13,000 businesses, said that Cork, Dublin, Galway, Limerick and Waterford chambers were calling for a Yes vote. Although no chamber came out against the treaty, four chambers – Carrick-on-Shannon, Dundalk, Newbridge, and Drogheda – opted to remain neutral on the issue.

    Describing himself as a “dedicated” European, Dr Coughlan said he had reached his decision to vote No after reading the treaty. “I support some aspects of it, but I am concerned about other aspects,” he explained.

    “I’m worried about the growing democratic deficit in the European Union and people’s connection with it.

    “From a citizen’s point of view, I would love to be able to vote for a president of Europe. I think the EU needs to involve the people more.”

    Dr Coughlan also criticised what he said was a “complicated” treaty.

    “As a committed European, I would love to have seen something similar to Bunreacht na hÉireann or the US constitution, something that any citizen could pick up, read and understand.”

    A spokesman for Libertas said: “Chris Coughlan is a very significant and important figure in business and his support for our position is something we very much welcome.”

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    Re: Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

    I think that most people actually running their own businesses know the reality of what the Lisbon treaty will mean better than some of the chattering class 'business organisations'.
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    Re: Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Good news for the "No" camp:

    Dr Coughlan, is a director of Libertas, which is campaigning for a No vote......
    So Libertas still oppose Lisbon. This is news, why?
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    Re: Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan
    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Good news for the "No" camp:

    Dr Coughlan, is a director of Libertas, which is campaigning for a No vote......
    So Libertas still oppose Lisbon. This is news, why?
    Because it's yet another example - along with the neutrality os several Chambers - that the Treaty is bad for business.

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    Re: Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

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    Good news for the "No" camp:

    Dr Coughlan, is a director of Libertas, which is campaigning for a No vote......
    So Libertas still oppose Lisbon. This is news, why?
    Because it's yet another example - along with the neutrality os several Chambers - that the Treaty is bad for business.
    No - it shows that Lisbon is bad for Libertas' business. Who knows what that is folks?
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    Re: Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

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    Good news for the "No" camp:

    Dr Coughlan, is a director of Libertas, which is campaigning for a No vote......
    So Libertas still oppose Lisbon. This is news, why?
    Because it's yet another example - along with the neutrality os several Chambers - that the Treaty is bad for business.
    Or at least that segment of it represented by Libertas.
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    Re: Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

    And, unsurprisingly, a response from Chambers Ireland:

    "Chambers Ireland Reaffirms Yes Position
    Published: Wednesday May 14, 2008

    Responding to the interview given by Chambers Ireland’s Deputy President in today’s (14/05/08) Irish Times, Chambers Ireland President, David Pierce and Chief Executive, John Dunne today affirmed that the position of Chambers Ireland in the forthcoming referendum on the Lisbon Treaty is to campaign for the Yes vote.

    The views expressed by Dr. Chris Coughlan of Hewlett-Packard are his own personal views and in no way reflect or represent the views of Galway Chamber, Chambers Ireland or the Irish chamber movement. This was confirmed to Minister Dick Roche at the organisations National Business Forum yesterday.

    Following an extensive nationwide consultation amongst 13,000 member businesses in the network, chambers indicated by a margin of more than ten-to-one their support for the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Accordingly Chambers Ireland wishes to clarify its position in regard to a number of points raised by Dr. Coughlan."

    The article contains a refutation of all the points raised by Coughlan.
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    Re: Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

    I have a feeling that the 10-1 only refers to those who are on the yes or no side, and does not reflect the large undecided category in a number of Chambers mentioned at the start of this thread, so it may be disingenuous to say its 10-1.

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    Re: Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

    Most business people don't think Lisbon's bad for business.

    Most Chambers (and the business people that make up the membership of those Chambers) support it.

    Only 4 out of 60 Chambers voted to remain neutral. That doesn't suggest that the majority business people don't support it.

    Following an extensive consultation with its affiliated chambers, Chambers Ireland has today (13/05/08) said that the vast majority support the forthcoming Lisbon Treaty referendum.

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    Speaking at the [National Business Forum Summit for Growth], Chambers Ireland President David Pierce said, “Chambers Ireland felt that this was a very important decision. We gave our affiliates the time and space to debate the treaty. The results from the consultation of chambers are pretty unequivocal. The Network favours a Yes position. Chambers Ireland now fully supports this position.”

    “Ratification of the Treaty will help Ireland tackle the challenges it currently faces, help continue our global competitiveness, and will create an improved EU that works better for all,” Pierce concluded.
    In fact, there is a margin of 10-to-1 in favour of Lisbon among the Chamber's 13,000 member businesses:

    Responding to the interview given by Chambers Ireland’s Deputy President in today’s (14/05/08) Irish Times, Chambers Ireland President, David Pierce and Chief Executive, John Dunne today affirmed that the position of Chambers Ireland in the forthcoming referendum on the Lisbon Treaty is to campaign for the Yes vote.

    The views expressed by Dr. Chris Coughlan of Hewlett-Packard are his own personal views and in no way reflect or represent the views of Galway Chamber, Chambers Ireland or the Irish chamber movement. This was confirmed to Minister Dick Roche at the organisations National Business Forum yesterday.

    Following an extensive nationwide consultation amongst 13,000 member businesses in the network, chambers indicated by a margin of more than ten-to-one their support for the referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.
    edit: ibis got there before me.

    FT, what evidence is your feeling about a clear 10-to-1 margin in favour of Lisbon based on?
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    Re: Chambers' Ireland President-elect calls for "no" vote

    The SFA admits its own research among its members found 73% on the no side so in aggregate the underlying evidence is that the thesis that Lisbon is good for business is a contested one, including within the business community.

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