Fergus Finlay on Treaty..

[jerryp]

.. in today's Examiner supports it and does a fairly clinical analysis of much of the hype used by the opponents,
Here

I'd be interested in what the " No " camp would have to say in response. Please refrain from the name - calling etc. that has been such a feature of other threads on this subject.

[certain_people]

I'd say simply that he's for the treaty, and he's cherry-picking tiny bits to highlight in support of his case, while glossing over other glaring anti-Treaty arguments.

" Sure, there’ll be some changes in Ireland’s representation and in the voting arrangements by which decisions are made."

And in that one line, he skips over three of the most fundamental changes in the Treaty - the new QMV arrangements, the loss of vetoes and movement away from the original ideal of consensus action in a further range of areas, and the loss for 5/15 years of an Irish Commissioner.

Obviously a very balanced, well thought out, and well-considered piece What a load of nonsense.

[constitutionus]

I'd say simply that he's for the treaty, and he's cherry-picking tiny bits to highlight in support of his case, while glossing over other glaring anti-Treaty arguments.

" Sure, there’ll be some changes in Ireland’s representation and in the voting arrangements by which decisions are made."

And in that one line, he skips over three of the most fundamental changes in the Treaty - the new QMV arrangements, the loss of vetoes and movement away from the original ideal of consensus action in a further range of areas, and the loss for 5/15 years of an Irish Commissioner.

Obviously a very balanced, well thought out, and well-considered piece What a load of nonsense.

did you hear the referendum commission on six one news?


" this treaty doesnt affect our neutrality OR our tax system.......







.....in our considerd opinion"

translation: "i dont know for certain"

[seabhcan]

Best article on the treaty so far.

Bottom line - Libertas and co think we're all stupid.

[rockofcashel]

Best article on the treaty so far.

Bottom line - Libertas and co think we're all stupid.

But the Yes actually treat anyone who dissents as being stupid ....

[constitutionus]

Best article on the treaty so far.

Bottom line - Libertas and co think we're all stupid.

But the Yes actually treat anyone who dissents as being stupid ....

no no ROC.

they threaten to kick disenters out of the party.

the rest of us they just insult.

[Dáiler]

Never liked Finaly in politics or as a person, but he is right on the money here. This is what the yes side needs a simple message cut through the bull. Oh god I cant believe I'm on the same side as Finlay, its a mad mad world

[Defeated Romanticist]

I see he left out the bit on page 4972 where the Marseillaise becomes our national athem and an "e" is added to the end our the island's name to "streamline" and "democratise" the country. I'm sure it'll be in my next Libertas leaflet.

[rockofcashel]

I see he left out the bit on page 4972 where the Marseillaise becomes our national athem and an "e" is added to the end our the island's name to "streamline" and "democratise" the country. I'm sure it'll be in my next Libertas leaflet.

Europe already has an anthem.. Ode to Joy

They tried to sneak a few more "centrepoints" of a Federation into the Constitutional Treaty until the French and Dutch told them where to stick it..

But hey, we get the leftovers and are expected to buy it as a top class dish

[Defeated Romanticist]

I see he left out the bit on page 4972 where the Marseillaise becomes our national athem and an "e" is added to the end our the island's name to "streamline" and "democratise" the country. I'm sure it'll be in my next Libertas leaflet.

Europe already has an anthem.. Ode to Joy

They tried to sneak a few more "centrepoints" of a Federation into the Constitutional Treaty until the French and Dutch told them where to stick it..

But hey, we get the leftovers and are expected to buy it as a top class dish

Tis gone.