Yes to Lisbon...what would it mean for the no campaign?

[stopthetrain]

To vote yes will be the best, which will give power to the european union parliament to stop all the mal-adimistrations in the members state to create checks and balances that's my presumtions in the yes vote in lacuna and will also b****st all those unequal society countries in the members state.

[Electro]

Yes to Lisbon...what would it mean for the no campaign?

Ask not what a No vote would mean for the No Campaign, but what it would mean for your country.

I have been arguing and canvassing for a yes vote in the Lisbon Treaty as I believe it will reduce the democratic deficit.

Come off it. You're campaigning for a Yes vote out of pure self-interest and with the hope of jobs in Europe just like all the other Yes-men in Fine Gael.

Bull************************ NDS.. sorry to be so upfront

Lisbon allows the institutional framework to create

a de facto European Parliament which supercedes national Parliaments

a de facto European Goverment (the Commission)

a de facto European Justice system (ECJ)

a de facto European Foreign Minister

a de facto European Army

Bascially undermining the tenets of national sovereignty going right back to Westphalian principles

Turning the Dáil into a glorified County Council

But you won't see that on any leaflets now.. will you

Bang bang bang... Fair play rockofcashel. Succinct post.

Your debating tactics are quite pathetic NotDevsSon. You just come out with an unsubstantiated "not true", "nonsense" in the face of these things being printed black and white in the Treaty of Lisbon.

[stringjack]

It means the no campaign lost. It also means that if the yes campaign wins, we will not have a second referendum on the issue unlike the last referendum when the government and euroelite didn't like the result.

Just as a matter of interest, if there is a Yes vote, and the government doesn't like that result, what's to stop it running a second referendum to reverse the result?

[Rebelman]

It means the no campaign lost. It also means that if the yes campaign wins, we will not have a second referendum on the issue unlike the last referendum when the government and euroelite didn't like the result.

Just as a matter of interest, if there is a Yes vote, and the government doesn't like that result, what's to stop it running a second referendum to reverse the result?

This is plan B, the constitution was plan A - there will be no plan C - after the time and effort that has been invested in this process it is the commonly held view among both European civil servants and governments that if this is not ratified then they will continue to work within the existing structures under the existing treaties. If it is ratified by all 27 members then it comes into effect next year (however all 27 must ratify it)