thats fair enough FT - but can you explain why there is such a divergence on the economic implications of the treaty between these two camps that are promoting rejection of the treaty>? - personality and other political considerations aside?Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
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by what standard is it a centrist group? is it even a group? who are its members?
Quite right. I've only been able to identify four people associated with it, Ganley, McGuirk, Cochrane and some other person whose name escapes me.by what standard is it a centrist group? is it even a group? who are its members?
It appears not to be a group but a rich man employing three young hacks to lobby on his behalf with his deep and apparently suspicious pockets.
I can't speak for other people. There is equally a divergence between Left, Right and Centrist groups supporting the treaty. I think a possible answer is that when you give up sovereignty, you give up control of how it will be used by those it is surrendered to, and that consequentially such power can be used by Brussels to leftwing or rightwing ends, depending on the ideology of who is in power in Brussels at the time.thats fair enough FT - but can you explain why there is such a divergence on the economic implications of the treaty between these two camps that are promoting rejection of the treaty>? - personality and other political considerations aside?
Has anybody even read what I've said about the electoral acts and SIPO? I've told every journalist who's asked, we will obey every law to the letter.
With regards it just being 'four of us' - that's not the case, we've a few hundred people who've volunteered nationwide, a few thousand signed up to the mailing list, and a good few thousand has been raised on Libertas.org alone. But hey, if you guys want to spin all that into some bizarre conception only reached by sitting here on Politics.ie and talking to your yes-men brethren, fine..... I'll be in the real world running a campaign though.
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I wouldn't quite put it SO bluntly.
It takes a good good few thousand to run a billboard or a full page Sindo ad*.
*€33,125 to be precise.
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unfortunately it is not clear where the money is coming from
The point is who do they represent? Volunteers aren't the same as members. Political parties and trade unions have members, constitutions and what not. It is not in the public domain how Libertas is governed and funded. Who appoints the chairman/president? It appears that all key decisions are taken by this person, but I'm just going on what I have seen.
I raised this issue because FT said that Libertas are a centrist group, I don't think they are, and I don't think they are representative of anyone bar their founder and their employees.
OK -I can't speak for other people. There is equally a divergence between Left, Right and Centrist groups supporting the treaty. I think a possible answer is that when you give up sovereignty, you give up control of how it will be used by those it is surrendered to, and that consequentially such power can be used by Brussels to leftwing or rightwing ends, depending on the ideology of who is in power in Brussels at the time.thats fair enough FT - but can you explain why there is such a divergence on the economic implications of the treaty between these two camps that are promoting rejection of the treaty>? - personality and other political considerations aside?
A)can you point out exactly where in the Lisbon treaty only (not anything we have already signed up to) where this loss of economic sovereignty will occur? - without conjecturing and extrapolating what might or might not happen further down the line.
B) If all the left,centre and right suporters of the treaty can sit on the same platform -why is it such a chore for the No camp to do the same?
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Well myk, with all respect, I've already said we will comply with all electoral rules and SIPO guidelines. With respect the sources of funding, we've received donations from many p eople. With respect governance, is it really important? We're a grouping campaigning for a no vote.
Why do you want to obsess about the organisation, and not the actual facts of the treaty?
I made a point a few weeks back, to take a step back from P.ie in terms of Libertas stuff, but I really cannot sit back any further and let a handful of people who are serving no interest to the Yes campaign other than making consistent attacks at Libertas.
We've a right to campaign. Thank god for democracy, so, let's focus on the treaty shall we.
And with regards to the decision not to attend the Forum, there are a number of reasons, not sharing a platform with SF was only one of them. We were under the impression that as a campaigning organisation we'd have the opportunity to address the forum alone, we only found out that wasn't to be the case when we heard who else would be addressing the forum on that day.
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By the standards of right-wing US politics, I suppose it would be centrist. It's definitely to the right of every Irish political party.by what standard is it a centrist group? is it even a group? who are its members?
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