Sorry Dave, just to pick you on a point, I haven't decided what I'm going to vote (as I have only read the basic points of the Treaty), but your first point above about Crotty becoming irrelevant makes no sense.Originally Posted by David Cochrane
You say yourself it's self amending subject to each states constitutional requirements.
Equality — It is new strung and shall be heard
905 - if you're going to go around the site saying "i'm too lazy to do x, y or z" - you know, please, keep it to yourself.
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No it doesn't. That is a lie - the treaty does not and cannot override Ireland's constitutional requirement for a referendum. And Article 48 recognizes this.
Read it for yourselves - don't trust Cochrane's word on this.
"Who will bailout the IMF after FF is finished with them?"
It was a joke, I read it.
Can't really dispute any of it. I'll probably be voting no because of the foreign policy thingy, and the passing the blame on to the EU for every little thing. And because Bertie told us that we'd be letting Europe down if we vote no. Insulting our intelligence is the new FF policy, apparantly.
I am voting No because this whole thing has gone too far and to send a message to the French and Germans to drop their bull************************ tax ideas.
The political establishment lacks both vision and courage.
Not understanding it is a perfectly good reason to vote No. It would be very strange to vote yes for something you didn't understand.
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
[quote=Twin Towers]Not understanding it is a perfectly good reason to vote No. It would be very strange to vote yes for something you didn't understand.[/quote:3lug9go3]
If you don't understand it you shouldn't vote.
"Who will bailout the IMF after FF is finished with them?"
[quote=seabhcan]If you don't understand it you shouldn't vote.[/quote:agey3d59]Not understanding it is a perfectly good reason to vote No. It would be very strange to vote yes for something you didn't understand.
Yes indeed, Karel de Gucht's thinking
"The aim of the Constitutional Treaty was to be more readable; the aim of this treaty is to be unreadable ... The Constitution aimed to be clear, whereas this treaty had to be unclear. It is a success."
Karel de Gucht, Belgian Foreign Minister, Flandreinfo, 23 June 2007
The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.
Thanks, but I don't need an idiot like you to tell me what is or is not a good idea to vote any particular way.Thats a damn stupid reason to vote no.
If the treaty is rejected it won't make a blind bit of difference to those issues.
You see, some people think for themselves, you twit!
Try it--it'll make a change for sucking up everything that flows out of Brussels.
As it happens, since in over a decade of Mass Immigration Fianna Fail and the rest of the crowd who are encouraging it have never given me a chance to express my opinion of the mad undertaking they have inflicted on our country, I'll be more than glad to give them a metaphorical kick in the face!
And I have a feeling that I won't be in a minority. If the people vote based on their atttitude to Mass Immigration it's sayonara Fianna Fail and their lackeys.
THE FIRST LINE!!No it doesn't. That is a lie - the treaty does not and cannot override Ireland's constitutional requirement for a referendum. And Article 48 recognizes this.
Read it for yourselves - don't trust Cochrane's word on this.
1. The Treaties may be amended in accordance with an ordinary revision procedure. They may also be amended in accordance with simplified revision procedures.
2. The government of any Member State, the European Parliament or the Commission may submit to the Council proposals for the amendment of the Treaties. These proposals may, inter alia, serve either to increase or to reduce the competences conferred on the Union in the Treaties. These proposals shall be submitted to the European Council by the Council and the national Parliaments shall be notified.
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