Tory Party rules out referendum

[Electro]

Surprise surprise - more kosher conservatives keel over.

William Hague rules out holding referendum on Lisbon after Czech leader signs EU treaty | Politics | guardian.co.uk

Tories change policy after last hurdle to ratification of controversial European Union agreement falls

William Hague tonight confirmed that the Tories will not hold a referendum on the Lisbon treaty, which was signed by the Czech president today.

Václav Klaus completed the EU agreement's progress by formally signing the treaty – bringing the union's new "rulebook" into force at the end of a tortuous ratification process.

In a pooled interview to TV news channels, the shadow foreign secretary said the Conservatives would not now hold a referendum on the treaty if they won the next election.

Kosher conservatism (i.e. modern conservative politics) is nothing but theatrics.

Hague said that Cameron would tomorrow set out "in detail how we will now go forward in European matters".

Which will be to accept into the new Euro-Federalist order, just like the other Neo-Liberal, "Centre-Right" "Conservative" parties of Europe have unanimously done.

[molloyjh]

Surprise surprise - more kosher conservatives keel over.

William Hague rules out holding referendum on Lisbon after Czech leader signs EU treaty | Politics | guardian.co.uk



Kosher conservatism (i.e. modern conservative politics) is nothing but theatrics.



Which will be to accept into the new Euro-Federalist order, just like the other Neo-Liberal, "Centre-Right" "Conservative" parties of Europe have unanimously done.

He goes on in the article to quote Hague as saying:

a referendum can no longer prevent the creation of the president of the European council...

I'm surprised that Hague doesn't realise that this post already exists!?

...the loss of British national vetoes...

Shouldn't that be some national vetoes. That statement does almost imply all national vetoes. And most importantly shouldn't it be "some national vetoes in areas of very little importance"?

The position of president of the European council, the foreign minister of Europe, would never have been implemented

As above the President of the Council is a post that already exists and the foreign minister post (as I'm sure Hague must also know) already exists in the form of 2 seperate posts that would just be merged into one. The roles and responsibilities would be the same but there would only be one position and one department reducing overheads.

Cameron himself said:

we've tried to persuade other European countries not to sign the treaty, because we think the British people should be allowed a referendum

I mean of course other countries should form their policies around what the Tories want eh!? I'm sure all those people giving out about external interference in Irelands referendum would be equally appalled at the attempt by the Tories to interfere through-out Europe???? No????

[johnfás]

They were never going to hold one anyway, the Tories know in reality which side the bread is buttered on, for all their public flusterings.

[Cael]

So the pretense of "democracy" in Europe cant even find a place to hide out in Britain. No referendum - because the British people would not be frightened into submission like the Irish were.

[Mouroux]

But haven't the Tories allowed that there can be a popular vote on any future European treaty?! What a joke... but of course the voters will buy it.

[pd_phoenix]

in fairness it would be an empty gesture if they did hold one after the Lisbon Treaty came into law. It will be interesting to see however if there is another treaty while they are in power and if they will then let the British people decide

[molloyjh]

in fairness it would be an empty gesture if they did hold one after the Lisbon Treaty came into law. It will be interesting to see however if there is another treaty while they are in power and if they will then let the British people decide

They are saying they will change the law to make sure referenda happen for all EU Treaties. Again whether that has any substance remains to be seen. What I would be more interested in is if they in fact do change the law thus, will they be sure to educate the people about it properly. After all if they are in Government when it happens it will be what they themselves negotiated and so if it's seen as a bad thing for the English people it will reflect badly on them.

More interesting again would be the question of what really would have ben different with the Treaty had the Tories been in power. Not much I would imagine.

[pd_phoenix]

More interesting again would be the question of what really would have ben different with the Treaty had the Tories been in power. Not much I would imagine.

I would have to disagree, if Ireland was able to retain commissioners through voting no the first time imagine what a country with the power of GB could achieve. I couldn't imagine GB voting no and other EU leaders turning around and telling their people you voted wrong go back and do it again.

Firstly I don't believe there would have been an EU president or if that remained he would at least have been elected by the people

[DickTurpin1789]

The Lisbon Treaty has been fully ratified.
Game Over.

I think many Irish voters have forgotten what all the fuss was all about.

Lets move onto some other issue please.

[FutureTaoiseach]

Well to be fair, they had always insisted that a referendum was dependent on Lisbon not having come into force across the EU by then. Following Klaus' shameful surrender in the face of bullying by Sarko and Merkel, including their own Constitutional Court President being visited by the German Ambassador Johannes Hayndel, it is clear this Treaty - so destructive of national independence and democracy - is now to come into force. I accept, grudgingly, that reality.

But a new battle is about to begin on the future of the Justice optout. The govt intends to "review" it within 3 years (Dermot Ahern as Foreign Minister) while FG wants to abolish it outright. All parties must be forced to come clean as to their intentions on retention/abolition of Protocol 21. Should it be surrendered, the ECJ will reign supreme on our asylum and immigration policy, and Justice policy in general.