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    Why did the working class vote No in such large numbers?

    Non-conformists..they believe they've received nothing from Europe..ill-educated and/or ignorant..they will oppose anything the government wants etc etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by True Republican View Post
    I did hear on RTE this morning that InCornelscourt a very middle class suburb in DL-Rathdown that in early tallies 93% voted in favour.
    If that's from the station behind the magic carpet, it's my turf. lots of young families up to their eyes in debt...

    Every middle class type will be found there and they are very engaged on issues on the doorstep. Hence the "Yes"....

    Parsing the votes ED by ED and comparing to canvassing experience might be telling.

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    Why are the working class so against things like EU?

    Is it because their heads are filled with nationalistic nonsense which they know nothing about? Because people most influential in their communities are from the far left, who are notorious for being anti-everything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by breakingnews View Post
    Why did the working class vote No in such large numbers?

    Non-conformists..they believe they've received nothing from Europe..ill-educated and/or ignorant..they will oppose anything the government wants etc etc
    "Ill-educated" is perhaps more apt for the “grades inflated” era–produced, EU indoctrinated, houseprice-collapse stung, multinational-employed "decklanders" fooled into supporting their own continued debt-enslavement and dependence on the globalist-supplied credit drug. But try telling them that!

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    How many of those with low education can speak a European language or have visited European countries - Newry, a football trip and Spanish costas do not count. They have no personal connection with Europe. It is just the means by which foreignors can come here to steal their jobs and Women.

    The only thing more odious than the racist and thick working class is the more racist and thicker middle class who engage in group think, that we had to vote yes, that Nama is the only show in town and will save the economy, that public servants will just have to 'share the pain' and they want to see social welfare rates cut to avoid tax increases. These are the people who religiously vote Fianna Fail.
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    According to RTÉ DSW, DSC, DNW have all voted Yes by significant margins this time around. These would be characterized as working class areas surely? They were certainly some of the biggest No voters last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breakingnews View Post
    Why did the working class vote No in such large numbers?

    Non-conformists..they believe they've received nothing from Europe..ill-educated and/or ignorant..they will oppose anything the government wants etc etc
    Its as well that people are better informed about Lisbon than they are about the working class.

    The working class has less to lose from voting No. In many cases they don't have mortgages and have smaller or no car loans. Historically, the EU has done much less for them than it has farmers and the bureaucracy.
    I would risk a guess that there was a big Yes vote from public servants ireland and this time farmers voted Yes.

    A lot of middle class people may have believed the comforting untruth put about by Government that the ECB is in some way bailing out the Irish economy. They have a nasty shock coming.

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    You're not taking this well at all cactus.
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    I'm not surprised by the outcome, ecu, a lot of people are scared and there was an element of the last vote that was based on hubris.

    Quote Originally Posted by evercloserunion View Post
    According to RTÉ DSW, DSC, DNW have all voted Yes by significant margins this time around. These would be characterized as working class areas surely? They were certainly some of the biggest No voters last year.
    These figures are interesting but don't give us clear information about who changed their votes, or who moved from not voting to voting and vice versa. It's only really at tally level that you would get that picture.


    In 2008, the eight constituencies that voted No by margins in excess of 60% plus polled as follows:

    Cork North Central: No 64.44% Yes 35.56%

    Donegal North East: No 64.7% Yes 35.3%

    Donegal South West: No 63.45% Yes 36.55%

    Dublin Mid West: No 60.4% Yes 39.6%

    Dublin North West: No 63.62% Yes 36.38%

    Dublin South Central: No 60.94% Yes 39.04%

    Dublin South West: No 65.05% Yes 34.95%

    Mayo: No 61.7% Yes 38.3%


    2009

    Cork North Central: Yes 55.81% No 44.19%

    Dublin Mid West: Yes 61.49% No 38.51%

    Dublin North West: Yes 55.04% No 44.96%

    Dublin South Central: Yes 58% No 42%

    Dublin South West: Yes 58.91% No 41.09%

    Mayo: Yes 61.71% No 38.29%

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