Declan Ganley
Michael O'Leary
What is funny about democratic process - Dana's deeply evangelical christianity appealed to a lot of north west voters and she got elected - whats so funny?Originally Posted by Verhofstadt
i think she was potentially dangerous and would not agree with her at all but is she such a figure of fun.??
michael o'leary is a tool
The early bird may get the worm - but the second mouse gets the cheese.
If so not even the steepest streetwalker shoes could 'balance out' O'Leary.I wouldn't describe them as 'high' heels though. They are attempting to bring the height of the person more in proportion with the size of the ego.
Bono really is a midget though, and apparantly has a complex about it. I don't think O'leary is that short. Not tall, but not a real dwarf either.They are height-ego balance devices. Bono wears them too.
I disagree with the the other posters who said MOL lost this debate.
I thought Ganley waffled way too much, while MOL got the points he wanted to get across very well. In particular the commissioner, taxes remaining under national control, workers rights (the YES vote is supported by SIPTU and other workers unions in ireland) and the assertion that the vote was about Ireland....not europe.
MOL did come across as a bullying and arrogant pr!ck. But there's no surprise there. You would have to have lived under a rock for the last 20 years not to know that already.
Ganley's biggest mistake was to attack Europe...instead of the treaty. Anyone with even a passing interest in european affairs knows that ireland has done extremely well out of the EU....MOL underlined this with his point about iceland..i.e. we would be in the same position as the icelanders if it wasn't for our membership of the EU. But the vast majority of viewers couldn't give a flying finger about an anti-europe rant last night..MOL hit the nail on the head when he stopped Ganley in his tracks by saying "it's not about Europe, Declan, this vote is about Ireland". Europe will carry on without ireland voting yes and Ganley failed to provide one compelling reason to vote no, other than the usual anti-EU rhetoric that we hear from UKIP, the BNP and other parties.
I reckon the debate won't have converted any YES/NO voters last night, but, it will have swayed a lot of undecideds towards the YES camp. Bringing Ganley back into the public debate over Lisbon was the worst possible thing the NO campaign could have done.
What was very clear last night, amidst the mud slinging, was that MOL wants the YES vote so he can build his business in ireland..creating more jobs etc. (not withstanding the brownie points MOL will get in EU for supporting the treaty) while Ganley is....well....it's not clear why Ganley wants. He's very quick to come out with plasticpaddy-esque patriotic platitudes, but, ultimately, he sounds like every other British politician in UKIP, the Tory party or the BNP, who has a chip on their shoulder about europe.
As for which way to vote..I don't entertain the NO campaigners insults, such as "you really need to have your IQ tested" if you vote YES. In the same breath, I have yet to hear a compelling reason to vote NO. Lot's of insults and lots of UKIP/BNP style attacks against the EU, but, not one compelling reason to vote NO.
You clearly a Peter Sellers fan
I missed it. Did Micko win ? Yeez all owe me 10 bob.
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Sh*te debate on Primetime and Sh*te set up. they all looked uncomfortable with the podium set up also.
Far superior debate on Matt Cooper earlier in the evening. Two hours of fun and games with both sides making decent hits with a few priceless one liners from both MOL and Deccie...
My opinion is from the undecided viewpoint just to set that straight.
MM V JH - it really was a bore, got into technicalities and probably lost most undecided folks.
PC V MLM - Again, got into technicalities but thought PC came across as a little pompous while MLM just came across as a bit desperate by quoting a paper like the WSJ! Factually, I'd give it to Cox, but from an effectiveness to swing undecided's, I'd say a draw.
DG V MOL - I've had a chance to read a lot of the comments here and saw the debate and I actually believe that from an effectiveness perspective (and remember, this debate was primarily about shifting opinion of the Don't knows) MOL repeated, ad nauseum, 2 or 3 points - "commissioner / corporate tax / Europe good" while I felt DG fell into the quagmire of technicalities too quickly. While as a debate, DG won easily on fasts, from a sound bite perspective (what Joe Public will remember the next morning) I believe MOL actually won this.
The No side needed a firm victory last night (further reflected with the MRBI Poll this morning) with sound bites that would resonate with the undecided voters when they come to decide at the Polls.
I just don't feel they achieved that, with the first two debates not clearing confusion that still exists while the final debate might actually have achieved that for the undecided, as perverse as that might sound, believe me!
That's a classic example of the NO campaign debate....ad hominem is the best you can do. "yes voters need their IQ tested"...."you must be mad to vote YES"...and so on....
That's exactly where Ganley fell down last night...after MOL nailed Ganleys three objections..i.e. the tax issue, the commissioner issue and workers rights..Ganley went off on anti-eu rants that echoed the UKIP and the BNP. MOL was right to point out that "this is not about europe, declan, this vote is about ireland".
True. A party that wont vaccinate little girls against cervical cancer has no right to claim concern for children.
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