View Poll Results: Who'll perform better in tonight's Prime Time Lisbon debate?

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  • Declan Ganley

    394 54.87%
  • Michael O'Leary

    324 45.13%
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Thread: Micheal O'Leary v Declan Ganley on Prime Time tonight (Thu 24 Sep)

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    Ganley was consistent in his point that the Lisbon treaty reduces democracy in the EU.

    Under Lisbon, Ireland would lose her veto in more than thirty additional areas of policy.
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    [color=#4000FF]Vote No to Lisbon to preserve Irish sovereignty. [/color]
    [color=#BF4000]Vote No to collapse this government and stop NAMA.[/color]

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    Why are the government so happy to give these vetoes away? Do they have any sense of national interest at all?
    We have got as much as we are going to get out of Europe; it is, now, time to leave!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampas View Post
    "Climate Change" was not mentioned at all in the Constitutional Treaty that was rejected by France and the Netherlands. Its introduction to the Lisbon Treaty is pure cynicism. Polar ice has been melting and expanding for billions of years. The notion that this generation should engage in self-flagellation (and bankruptcy) in that regard is simply grotesque.
    Nor is India or China. Accepting the "climate change" nonsense will leave us open to more carbon tax nonsense, stifling the economies of Europe while India and China charge ahead regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    Why are the government so happy to give these vetoes away? Do they have any sense of national interest at all?
    It makes their life SO much easier. Think back to the water charges for schools fiasco. They tried to level the blame on the EU, it was in fact their own failure which caused the problems.

    It not only moves decision making to the EU but it moves accountability there too and then splits it up so nobody has to be responsible for anything. That's why they want it more than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerdasi amaq View Post
    Why are the government so happy to give these vetoes away? Do they have any sense of national interest at all?
    That is the question that nobody from the gov. nor main opposition parties will address.

    Why do they believe that it's better to have the country run as a provincial outpost from Brussels?

    There must be something in it for them.

    Presumably, it makes their jobs as yeomen easy and well-paid.

    Short of an explanation (that makes sense) from the Yessirs, I can't envisage any other explanation.
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    Finally found time to watch this - the battle of the (unts. I really do not like O'Leary but Ganley is such a fu(king smug knob-end. Irritating, arrogant, smug (all the negative qualities of O'Leary times 10)...I hope this time we have finally seen the back of him and his tirade of lies.

    Yes or no? bah, whichever is guaranteed to get rid of Ganley.

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