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    ¿Dónde está Fine Gael's Lisbon jobs?

    “They bedded themselves in on this argument, and it is on this argument that they are falling down because it is just not true.

    “Their arguments don’t stand up to even the most simple scrutiny . . . There is not one single thing in it that creates a single job in Ireland. The only job that the Lisbon Treaty will save is Brian Cowen’s. There is nothing good in here for the Irish economy, and there is nothing good for job-creation.”

    The Libertas founder was speaking to reporters outside Fine Gael offices in Dublin, where he had delivered a copy of the treaty and a highlighter pen so that the main Opposition party could “point out where the treaty mentions jobs”.
    Claims that No vote will cost jobs 'ridiculous' - The Irish Times - Tue, Sep 22, 2009

    We all knew the "Yes to Jobs" think was nonsense... well most of us did. But FG ran a rather cynical and manipulative campaign preying on people's understandable fear of the future given our current economic climate.

    But it was destined to backfire, for the reasons pointed out by Declan above.

    If there was an ounce of truth to it we would have seen a more substantive rebuttal than this:
    A Yes vote will provide Ireland with the economic handrail it needs to recover from the current crisis
    delivered by Fine Gael's spokeswoman on European Affairs, Lucinda Creighton. She's never short on words... this time, however, we've gone from vital to "handrail".

    I find it shocking that a political party, who were trounced last time out would base their entire Lisbon campaign on something so easily exposed as being, well... total crap.
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    Wasn't sure if Declan Ganley's involvement would be a good or bad thing, but if he keeps up the exposure of this particular lie then I'm glad he's on board again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Wasn't sure if Declan Ganley's involvement would be a good or bad thing, but if he keeps up the exposure of this particular lie then I'm glad he's on board again...
    Like I said before, Sir... you ain't seen nothing yet.
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    This would tend to confirm what I said here: http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty...ml#post2103514

    And elsewhere on that thread. This is not over by a long shot. No side win Monday, I think.

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    strange article.

    What is Ganleys opinion based on?

    Surely more than a discredited article from the the Wall Street Journal and a misunderstood piece from the FT?

    and funnily enough the article also states that

    Meanwhile, the American Chamber of Commerce in Ireland, which represents 600 US companies operating in the State, also issued a response to Mr Justice Clarke’s statement.

    Dr Paul Duffy, the chamber’s president, said he had no doubt the future of jobs and investment in Ireland were “inextricably linked” to a Yes vote in next month’s referendum, and he argued that the State could not afford to vote No.

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    surely the title of this thread should be

    " future of jobs and investment in Ireland “inextricably linked” to a Yes vote"

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAD10H View Post
    strange article.

    What is Ganleys opinion based on?

    Surely more than a discredited article from the the Wall Street Journal and a misunderstood piece from the FT?

    and funnily enough the article also states that

    Hmmm, the American Chamber, after Intel, doing what the Government of the country and the main opposition would want them to do. What can it all mean?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    Hmmm, the American Chamber, after Intel, doing what the Government of the country and the main opposition would want them to do. What can it all mean?....
    it can mean a lot more than Ganley's personal opinion (which happily ignores the broader context of the treaty)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PAD10H View Post
    it can mean a lot more than Ganley's personal opinion (which happily ignores the broader context of the treaty)

    It means f*ck all except that they get some brownie points with the people in charge of tax, subsidies, etc. on an issue on which in reality they could not give a flying... Standard stuff, occasionally heard in Britain from some companies when the issue of the Euro came up under Blair, toadying, nothing more.

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