No, they asked if people believed it would pass, which is not the same as asking them how they would vote. They also prefaced questions with' if all our concerns are met would you vote Yes?' Even servile lickspittle like you can see through this, surely?Originally Posted by TommyO'Brien
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Do you expect any major shifts in your prediction, Tommy?
Will the realisation of the costs of NAMA weaken Yes support?
Regards...jmcc
Sure is!! No link. No print publication. No story!!!!
The OP is simply a lame effort to sow seeds of doubt among Yes and wavering P.ie readers. You know, putting up a thread with catchy song title (59-41) and interesting lyrics, and keeping it as a headline on the 'Latest Discussions' board as long as possible. Along with the dodgy resurrection of a year-old FG-survey thread about a strong No sentiment towards running Lisbon again.
The No camp is utterly desperate. And lacking in focus. Just like P.ie boards at the moment. Claim after ridiculous claim - what about that lawyer-with-a-small-brain thread about the EU and the common law system? Throw any more of that kind of chum into the electoral waters and the No camp are going to need a bigger boat.
And what about COIR? Have they have gone off their tiny minds with their ludicrous abortion/euthanasia poster? (Answer: 'Yes'.) They've managed to shoot themselves in both feet, all the while getting a few rounds off at other No elements of the campaign. Friendly fire? With friends like that, I'm glad I'm not in the room.
I wouldn't accept that for one moment. IT is the customer. It surely has the final say on the questions.
Is thread still going on? Jesus. Look folks, if the poll is right, we'll know soon enough. If it's wrong we'll know soon enough. Would you not all get out and canvass instead? I was speaking to a BBC camera crew who were interviewing people on the street today and asked them what they were getting - they said it was 50/50 with few undecideds, with "uneducated" people more likely to vote NO.
I take their word far more seriously than ANY poll. In other news, a few shinners expressed concern that turnout in working class areas would be low, and a yes head told me that he was getting feedback that the media saturation for the yes side was backfiring.
Can we just not wait for the result?
The Irish Times is not a trustworthy publication when it comes to the Lisbon Treaty. It has crossed the line between journalism and abject political campaigning.
Regards...jmcc
I agree on one thing - it will be close.
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Turns out it was published.
The Mail reported on it. It's on page 6.
I've noticed that people keep pointing out that mrbi is the most accurate polling company. Well the last mrbi poll published on the 4th September showed a drop of 8% in support for a Yes vote and a parallel increase in the Don't Knows.
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Of course they have equal weighting. Now, do you understand how opinion polling is carried out? They don't just ask the first 1,000 people they find, you know - with those 1,000 people magically having a margin of error of +/-3%. What actually happens is that when you're polled, you're first asked a string of questions about your age, income, marital status, employment status, location (urban/rural), level of education, tendency to vote, etc. That's done so that your answers to the string of questions you are then asked, looking for your opinion, can be weighted into the demographic of the electorate as a whole - thus making the sample a lot more representative then if you just hauled out the first 1,000 people you could find.
As an example, consider this - imagine a country with a million people, 300,000 of which are 40-year old, rural males, all of whom left school at age 16. Previous data has shown that on average, only 50% of these males vote. The remaining 700,000 people are urban, university-educated, 60-year old women (yes I know, its a f*cked-up country), and previous data has shown that 80% of these women vote. So anyway, you go out and do a poll (be it about an election, or a referendum), and as it turns out, you poll 500 men and 500 women. Will your poll be representative? Of course not. Straightaway the differential turnout between the two groups screws up your figures, even if you got everything else right (indeed even if you polled 700 women and 300 men, your figures would still be unrepresentative on that basis). So you have to weight the figures, otherwise they're completely useless.
And that's just a very simplistic example. Actual opinion polling factors in all sorts of things, before establishing where you fit into the national sample, and weights your answers accordingly. Its one of the things that makes proper opinion polling so accurate.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
No, they asked no such question. Any chance of you getting your facts right?
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
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