EU President vs US President

[marmurr1916]

A comparison of the respective powers of the President of the USA and the powers of the President of the European Council:

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the US President[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch of government Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 federal employees Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Cabinet Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Attorney General Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates federal judges (including to the US Supreme Court) Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the President of the European Council[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 EU employees No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Council No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Attorney General NA – no such position[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates EU judges (including to the ECJ) No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Co-ordinates work of EU Council Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Chairs Council meetings Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]

[PAD10H]

did you draft that or is there a link elsewhere?

[marmurr1916]

did you draft that or is there a link elsewhere?

Drafted it myself. All the information is available online.

President of the European Council? Great title, not so great job.

[PAD10H]

nice one

[edifice.]

First you create the position, then you gradually cede it powers.

[marmurr1916]

Powers given to the President of the European Council by the Treaty of Lisbon:

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The President of the European Council:
(a) shall chair it and drive forward its work;
(b) shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council in
cooperation with the President of the Commission, and on the basis of the work of the General Affairs Council;
(c) shall endeavour to facilitate cohesion and consensus within the European Council;
(d) shall present a report to the European Parliament after each of the meetings of the European Council.

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The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy, without prejudice to the powers of the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.

The President of the European Council shall not hold a national office.

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These powers cannot be changed or expanded in any way without changing the EU treaties.
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[st333ve]

A comparison of the respective powers of the President of the USA and the powers of the President of the European Council:

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the US President[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch of government Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 federal employees Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Cabinet Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Attorney General Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates federal judges (including to the US Supreme Court) Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the EU President[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 EU employees No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Council No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Attorney General NA – no such position[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates EU judges (including to the ECJ) No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Co-ordinates work of EU Council Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Chairs Council meetings Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]

Looks like one of those daft ASDA vs TESCO ads, where they handpick pick certain selective products to give a flase sence to idiots that they're getting a better deal.

The American President can have a big steamy crap in the Oval Office.
EU President can't crap in the Oval Office.

Therefore the EU president has no power.

[Bobert]

Thus you see the problem?

[PAD10H]

Looks like one of those daft ASDA VS TESCO ads, where they handpick pick certain selective products to give a flase sence to idiots that they're getting a better deal.

add your points to the list so.

[seenitallb4]

A comparison of the respective powers of the President of the USA and the powers of the President of the European Council:

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the US President[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch of government Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 federal employees Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Cabinet Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Attorney General Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates federal judges (including to the US Supreme Court) Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the EU President[/FONT][/SIZE]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 EU employees No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Council No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Attorney General NA – no such position[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates EU judges (including to the ECJ) No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals No[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Co-ordinates work of EU Council Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Chairs Council meetings Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]

You say "No" , I say "Not right now". The trend within the EU has not been the gradual disbursement of power, but the gradual collection of it.