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    Quote Originally Posted by davehiggz View Post

    Now, that may make people assume I'd want Bertie there too. I don't! He destroyed our economy. At least Iraq is recovering!!!
    A few more decades and it will move up status from 'Hell' to 'Absoloute mess'

    Blair didnt single handidly bring peace here, the only people who truly brought peace to Ireland were those who voted for the GFA and the people in the north that rejected violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmurr1916 View Post
    [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the US President[/FONT][/SIZE]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch of government Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 federal employees Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Cabinet Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Attorney General Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates federal judges (including to the US Supreme Court) Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]

    [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the EU President[/FONT][/SIZE]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 EU employees No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Council No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Attorney General NA – no such position[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates EU judges (including to the ECJ) No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Co-ordinates work of EU Council Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Chairs Council meetings Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    It would be very kind of you Marmurr if you would post a link to the articles that apply.

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    US President (Article 2 of the US constitution):

    The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of [COLOR=#0000ff]Impeachment[/COLOR].

    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present [COLOR=#0000ff]concur[/COLOR]; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
    U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 2 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of [COLOR=#0000ff]Adjournment[/COLOR], he may [COLOR=#0000ff]adjourn[/COLOR] them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
    U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 3 - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    US President's right to pass or veto legislation (Article 1, Section 7):

    Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the [COLOR=#0000ff]Concurrence[/COLOR] of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of [COLOR=#0000ff]Adjournment[/COLOR]) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
    http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec7

    Furthermore, the Vice-President, who is elected along with the President, is the President of the Senate and has a casting vote in the event of an even split:

    The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
    http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec3.html

    President of the European Council (so-called 'EU President'):

    [FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT][FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT]The President of the European Council:[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT]
    [FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT](a) shall chair it and drive forward its work;[/FONT]
    [FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT](b) shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council in[/FONT]
    [FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT]cooperation with the President of the Commission, and on the basis of the work of the General Affairs Council;[/FONT]
    [FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT](c) shall endeavour to facilitate cohesion and consensus within the European Council;[/FONT]
    [FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT](d) shall present a report to the European Parliament after each of the meetings of the European Council.[/FONT]

    [FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT][FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT]The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy, without prejudice to the powers of the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.[/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT][FONT=TimesNewRomanPSMT]The President of the European Council shall not hold a national office.[/FONT]
    [/FONT][/FONT]
    http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the...rticle-9b.html
    Last edited by marmurr1916; 21st September 2009 at 05:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That gasoline smell View Post
    Only person on record calling for that if Deco Braveheart, otherwise known as the sad tragic lying corrupt has been.
    [COLOR=#555555][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]
    [COLOR=#555555][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]In 2006, when there seemed a possibility that British and American forces might be pulled out of Iraq, Declan Ganley, whose company Rivada Networks has lucrative contracts with the American military, argued that if Iraq and Iran were to be tamed “full mobilisation for war would have to be carried out, complete with drafts, rationing and all of what Churchill referred to as the ‘blood, toil, tears and sweat’ that it takes to secure overwhelming victory.” [/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
    [/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]
    [COLOR=#555555][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]Declan Ganley, speaking about Iraq, 2006.[/COLOR][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]

    More words of wisdom from the Great Dear Leader:

    Personally, I do not know what the Americans, Brits, Spanish, Aussies and others will do to the Iraqis, but I would bet that the average citizen in Iraq will be a hell of a lot better off in three years time than they are today
    Declan Ganley, March 2003
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    I don't want that warmonger speaking for me.

    And none of us would ever have a say on who becomes our EU president, these decisions would be made for us. What a recipe for disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmurr1916 View Post
    [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the US President[/FONT][/SIZE]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch of government Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 federal employees Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Cabinet Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the US Attorney General Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates federal judges (including to the US Supreme Court) Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]

    [SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri]Powers of the EU President[/FONT][/SIZE]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign or veto legislation No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Commander-in-Chief of armed forces No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Negotiates treaties with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Power to recognise governments and states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can sign ‘executive agreements’ with other states No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Head of the Executive Branch No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can appoint up to 8,000 EU employees No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Council No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints the EU Attorney General NA – no such position[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Appoints Ambassadors No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Nominates EU judges (including to the ECJ) No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Executive privilege: can withhold information from the public on the grounds of ‘national security’ No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Can grant pardons and reprieves to convicted criminals No[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Co-ordinates work of EU Council Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri][SIZE=3]Chairs Council meetings Yes[/SIZE][/FONT]
    Hey, what are facts doing in this thread? Get those things out of here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by linoisbest
    I don't want that warmonger speaking for me.

    And none of us would ever have a say on who becomes our EU president, these decisions would be made for us. What a recipe for disaster.

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    Yes what a boon he would be for the simmering situation with Iran, or the ongoing outrages in Gaza?

    Let's not forget that his time in as PM in Britain saw the onslaught of the Orwellian police state advancing with leaps and bounds too.


    Not hard to see why they intend to "crown" him, is it?
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    Vote NO for the UKIP and the BNP not much of a choice , however Blair has a snowball chance in hell of being EU pres for at leats five years and beyond that he was far too involved in the starting of the Iraq war so no , that wont happen OP incorrect

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrendanGalway View Post
    Absolutley appaling. He should be answering questions in The Hague. Do we want someone like him speaking for us on the world stage?

    Thankfully, a Yes to Lisbon will strengthen our EU democracy giving us, the citizens a direct say in who leads the EU.
    Unfortunately not. The president will be elected by the European Council by qualified majority voting

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    Quote Originally Posted by redpath View Post
    Vote NO for the UKIP and the BNP not much of a choice...
    Logic failure.

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