Ireland’s 100 Reasons to Vote ‘No’ to the Lisbon treaty

[montaillou]

2. About 450,000 people are unemployed, crushed by cuts, taxes, mortgage payments, on top of public bank-bail-outs and yet, the politicians who brought this upon Ireland are also asking for trust over the Lisbon treaty.
*** Not true - FG and Labour are also advocating a YES vote and they have been in opposition for years

So Labour and FG are trustworthy because they have been in 'opposition' for years? As if either of them earnestly opposed any of the scams that passed for government policy these last 12 years. In the last election campaign both of them were enthusiastic participants in the auction politics that characterises electoralism in Ireland (well, outside of the unionist reservation anyhow). Both these parties are composed of the same type of glad-handling self-aggrandising opportunist that can be found in FF. And remember this - they are professional politicians, and as far as I can see the only people that have any love for the Lisbon Treaty are professional politicians and executives/spokespersons of large corporations. When these two demographics unite in their desire for something then the ordinary citizen should rightly be suspicious.

[montaillou]

9. Lisbon will not aid the recession – to the contrary, it will make it worse.
*** Not true. A NO vote will make our economic situation immeasuably worse

Opinion becomes fact when uttered by a yes campaigner? Let's be having some fact-based sources for this statement then. BTW, coded threats from Eurocrats don't count as authoritative sources so you can forget about adducing them to your 'rebuttal'.

[bad dog]

Ireland: €60 billion from the EU since 1973. THINK POSITIVE. VOTE YES TO LISBON. Fact*

I dont agree. What about the estimated 120 billion euro worth of fish the Eu has taken from Irish waters? Ireland were ripped off, we owe the EU nothing. And the Irish government will now give 54 billion to the banks, along with the 7 billion they already gave them, thats more than we got from the Eu in 36 years.

Ireland: €61 billion to the banks in 12 months. How the ******************** can you be positive?. VOTE NO TO LISBON. Fact*
The only ones to lose their jobs will be Cowan and Co.

[Design for Life]

5. If Ireland votes No, she will continue to have access to Europe’s single market – the Lisbon treaty is concerned more with intensifying European government, using a constitutional document, which will crush trade, jobs and industry in Ireland .
*** Not necessarily so - the consensus is that a 2 tier Europe will emerge with Ireland in the slow lane.

Where did you get this from? Apparently if I vote "no" it'll end up with Ireland in a two speed/tiered Europe in the lower speed and now you're telling me if I vote "yes" then we'll end up in this phantom two way Europe ?

What the damn hell is with all the horses[SIZE="2"]h[/SIZE]it ?

[Bi ciuin]

There seems to be lots of reasons to Vote No, but yey I havent seen 1 credible reason to vote yes.

[goosebump]

I really hope lots of people read this.

To paraphrase Micheal O'Leary:

"The best reason for voting yes is that all the unemployable f cuking head bangers are recommending a No vote."

[PAD10H]

There seems to be lots of reasons to Vote No, but yey I havent seen 1 credible reason to vote yes.

ha ha. even the points at the start of your list are pure lies or baseless bull.

[Supermanpolitician]

1. The European Union has already created massive pockets of unemployment, with countries such as Spain – who have ratified Lisbon – suffering with unemployment rates of 18%. Why should Ireland sign up to a failing European Union?
*** Rubbish - Spains unemployment has nothing to do with the Lisbon treaty - it hasent even been ratified yet.

2. About 450,000 people are unemployed, crushed by cuts, taxes, mortgage payments, on top of public bank-bail-outs and yet, the politicians who brought this upon Ireland are also asking for trust over the Lisbon treaty.
*** Not true - FG and Labour are also advocating a YES vote and they have been in opposition for years

3. MEPs claim up to €1,000,000 in expenses each term, while massive job losses continue on an everyday basis.
*** Another red herring - John O'Donoghue did the same as did many UK politicians.

4. Ireland remains a full member of the EU without the Lisbon treaty, and is in fact economically and politically better off without the treaty.
*** Why? No proof given.

5. If Ireland votes No, she will continue to have access to Europe’s single market – the Lisbon treaty is concerned more with intensifying European government, using a constitutional document, which will crush trade, jobs and industry in Ireland .
*** Not necessarily so - the consensus is that a 2 tier Europe will emerge with Ireland in the slow lane.

6. Foreign investment has actually increased since Ireland voted No last year.
*** Coincidence. Wait until you see next years figures.

7. Under the Lisbon treaty, the EU can levy taxes on Ireland for the first time.
*** Not true - they already take a portion of VAT receipts. Read http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty...own-taxes.html

8. 150,000 Irish jobs, at least, are under threat through direct employment in multinational companies. Since Lisbon will interfere in taxation and the low corporate tax rate, those multinationals will simply leave for lands with lower corporate tax rates.
*** The companies are advocating a YES vote - e.g. Intel

9. Lisbon will not aid the recession – to the contrary, it will make it worse.
*** Not true. A NO vote will make our economic situation immeasuably worse

10. The Lisbon treaty allows big business to import cheap labour and undercut Irish workers, in much the same way as it has done in labour disputes in the UK and the Nordic countries.
*** Not true. Labour rates in each country will continued to be enforced for migrant workers.

11. The EU has created a programme for Ireland to cut public spending, enforcing tough cuts on ordinary people who are trying to make a living wage in difficult times.
*** Not true. The Government are doing this because they are losing €500 million every WEEK on an overpaid and bloated civil and public service

12. As Minister Brian Lenihan has said, massive and uncontrolled immigration of EU labour into Ireland helped to c au se the crash. Overseas workers now make up almost 20% of Ireland ’s unemployed.
*** Argueably true but nothing to do with Lisbon

more to follow soon on these 100 incorrect reasons

Don't confuse them with facts. The more outlandish claims they make, the more desparate they look.

[goosebump]

There seems to be lots of reasons to Vote No, but yey I havent seen 1 credible reason to vote yes.

I'll repeat:

"The best reason for voting yes is that all the unemployable f cuking head bangers are recommending a No vote."

[Just Us]

I really hope lots of people read this.

To paraphrase Micheal O'Leary:

"The best reason for voting yes is that all the unemployable f cuking head bangers are recommending a No vote."

unemployable - aka "won't work for the Micky Mouse wages with which Lisbon will bless me"

101: No vote is the only way left to get rid of Cowen and his NAMA transfer of wealth from Irish People to the Banksters, Gangsters & W@nksters.