Leading UCD academic destroys No arguments in Irish Times debate

[The Red Rose of Cork]

What are the legal and constitutional implications of the Lisbon Treaty? - The Irish Times - Mon, Sep 14, 2009

[Al.]

A "European law lecturer"? A biased source? Who doesn't prove anything he says? Here's one blatant lie:

Nobody is “foisting” anything on anyone – the treaty is being democratically ratified by 27 sovereign states

Um, 26 of those get no vote in said ratification. That's "foisting".

Elsewhere in his discourse, he contradicts himself several times. Easy to spot; I'll leave it to others to point out where.

I must confess that I'm getting really tired of the Irischer Zeitung. They're a mouthpiece for Berlin.

[The Red Rose of Cork]

A "European law lecturer"? A biased source? Who doesn't prove anything he says? Here's one blatant lie:Um, 26 of those get no vote in said ratification. That's "foisting".

I must confess that I'm getting really tired of the Irischer Zeitung. They're a mouthpiece for Berlin.

he continually proves that Coughlan is a blundering idiot who hasnt a clue about the current state of the Union regarding legal personality and citizenship

[FutureTaoiseach]

Victory to Coughlan.

[The Red Rose of Cork]

Victory to Coughlan.

how - where - when

[greengoose2]

he continually proves that Coughlan is a blundering idiot who hasnt a clue about the current state of the Union regarding legal personality and citizenship

You don't need to be a lawyer to state this obvious one!!! Silly, silly boy!

[vanla sighs]

What are the legal and constitutional implications of the Lisbon Treaty? - The Irish Times - Mon, Sep 14, 2009

Huh, he destroyed the argument that the democratic will of the Irish people as expressed through a free and fair referendum has been invalidated? I don't think so. He destroyed the fact that Ireland loses its veto in 50 areas? I don't think so. I think what you mean to say is that he simply repeated the Yes line.

[Clanrickard]

Gavin Barret says: It involves a (welcome) greater role for the neutral commission in proposing laws, a (welcome) greater role for the democratically-elected European Parliament in adopting them and a (welcome) greater role for the European Court of Justice in ensuring that everything is done legally.

Why all the welcomes? He welcomes more power for the mickey mouse Euro Parl in which Irish people have a squiggly 15 meps which means we have even less power than at the council. Given it's track record of graft and corruption this is a bad thing. He welcomes more power for the commission again at the expense of our Daíl and he welcomes more power for the ECJ with "mission" to deepen enlargement on the sly. So Mr. Barret is a federalist and in essence he agrees we will have more federalism.

[HP]

Huh, he destroyed the argument that the democratic will of the Irish people as expressed through a free and fair referendum has been invalidated? I don't think so. He destroyed the fact that Ireland loses its veto in 50 areas? I don't think so. I think what you mean to say is that he simply repeated the Yes line.

Well the last line of the article published in a paper with a far from neutral position, says...

"This is an edited extract of their exchanges" and even at that I'm thinking Gavin has a leaky flat roof.

[He3]

Well the last line of the article published in a paper with a far from neutral position, says...

"This is an edited extract of their exchanges" and even at that I'm thinking Gavin has a leaky flat roof.

And he is sorry he only has a mobile number for the builder, now ringing out.