Laois local elections 2009

[Lottie]

Muppet, I thought your joke was hilarious. I've added it to my repertoire. We are living in difficult times and we need laughter to sustain us. I am appalled by the reaction of Phonix. Anal, or what? Portarlington is full of the 'walking wounded' courtesy of certain members of the Christian Brothers. The abuse, both physical and sexual, perpetrated by these monsters through the years has left an indelible mark. I have close contact with abused children, and also abused adults. I told the joke to an adult survivor today and he fell about the place. The restorative quality of laughter can never be ignored. This is why I like Kimble. He never fails to make me laugh. As for the relevance of this in the local elections, well, as far as I am concerned, anything that has a bearing on the quality of our daily lives is relevant.

[Effin Effer!!!]

Can anyone tell me how Willie Murphy's campaign is going?

Havn't ben over to Port in a while.

[Lottie]

Can anyone tell me how Willie Murphy's campaign is going?

Havn't ben over to Port in a while.

The problem with Willie is, we all know Willie. He joins every organisation and is no addition to any. In Portarlington we make allowance for Willie. He does no harm. He has made an an art of sucking up to the Clergy and the Christian Brothers. In the past this would have been a wise move for an aspiring politician, but times have changed. Today, in far more enlightened times, the reverse is the case. These days an elightened electorate looks for more.

[Amuppet]

Muppet, I thought your joke was hilarious.... We are living in difficult times and we need laughter to sustain us. I am appalled by the reaction of Phonix. Anal, or what? ... The abuse, both physical and sexual, perpetrated by these monsters through the years has left an indelible mark... I told the joke to an adult survivor today and he fell about the place. The restorative quality of laughter can never be ignored. This is why I like Kimble. He never fails to make me laugh. As for the relevance of this in the local elections, well, as far as I am concerned, anything that has a bearing on the quality of our daily lives is relevant.

Very nice of you to say so, Lottie. This really is a time when we have to decide whether to laugh or cry. So laugh it has to be; the victims of those brutes have done enough crying to last us all a lifetime. Every society has a duty to protect it's members and, if it fails to so so, to bring those who have perpetrated the harm to justice and to treat them with the revulsion and mockery they deserve.

You are quite right that everything that affects the quality of our lives is relevant, and especially a situation where the organisations behind those sickening deeds are still being treated with kid gloves by the establishment. If they get away scot-free with their unspeakable crimes, very few future child abuse prosecutions against laypersons will succeed if the alleged offences happened a longer time ago. The defence lawyers (and I'm sure sinister bodies like Opus Dei are well represented among them) will be able to argue that by deciding not to prosecute the "Christian" Brothers and other delinquents, the State has imposed a de facto statute of limitations on kiddly-fiddling crimes - and that our constitution requires that all be equal before the law.

Every candidate, every canvasser should be asked to state clearly whether or not their party is for reopening the compensation issue and making the church pay until it hurts, in addition to bringing the perpetrators to trial.

I agree that Kimble does tend to grow on one, especially when he sticks to the humorous/satirical approach.LOL

For your further delectation, I tried to post a link to a series of cartoons that deal with the subject through raw humour, but getting a very important message across about how the organisational matrix works to the advantage of and protects the likes of the men in Daingean, Artane, Letterfrack, Cappoquin and all of the other infamous place names in the Catholic Gulag.

I think it has been blocked, but you can find it by going to (three "w"s) apocalypsecartoons.com - then "cartoons page" and then "Father Tucker". Number ten, "Judgment Day" is very relevant to the amnesty that has now been declared.

[kimble]

The religous concregations should come out and agree to reopen the compensation issue. They seem to be the stumbling block on this issue, so if the have are a desent bone in there bodies they should at least agree to a 50 50 deal. As for naming and shaming the Abusers.....the Gardai should be giving the power to set up a special task force to investigate.....not only the 800 abusers and peodophiles, but also everyone who was involved in the incaseration of this children...like the judges for instance. There was a man on the tv the other night that said....he was caught mitching from school...3 days is all he mitched....he was brought before a judge.....at 11 years of age...and basically sentenced to stay in an idusterial school tell he was 18. Murders and rapists dont even get that nowadays. What sort of country have we been living in at all???

[Amuppet]

"The republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally ..."

(My boldfacing)

From the Proclamaton of the Irish Republic, 1916.

[Lottie]

"The republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally ..."

(My boldfacing)

From the Proclamaton of the Irish Republic, 1916.

God Muppet, I read this and weep. Wouldn't it be lovely?

[Effin Effer!!!]

"The republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and of all its parts, cherishing all the children of the nation equally ..."

(My boldfacing)

From the Proclamaton of the Irish Republic, 1916.

The rising failed. Not a legal document. All points and promises in said document are aspirational in nature. Terms and conditions apply.

[Lottie]

The rising failed. Not a legal document. All points and promises in said document are aspirational in nature. Terms and conditions apply.

True, but aren't the rights of all sopposed to be enshrined in the constitution?

[Amuppet]

True, but aren't the rights of all sopposed to be enshrined in the constitution?

Lottie, I think Effin' Effer is being ironic. "Terms of conditions apply" and all that. I love that phrase in radio and TV ads, by the way. They are telling you in your face beforehand that they will shaft you if they get half a chance.

You are right, though, that the Constitution guarantees everyone's fundamental rights. Unfortunately, it does not go far enough and guarantee what the constitutions of some Europan countries safeguard: good administration as a fundamental right.

Section 42.5 says this:

5. In exceptional cases, where the parents for physical or moral reasons fail in their duty towards their children, the State as guardian of the common good, by appropriate means shall endeavour to supply the place of the parents, but always with due regard for the natural and imprescriptible rights of the child.

They fell down badly on that one. They went wrong when they left it to organisations outside the State apparatus and accountable to no one to define what

due regard

means.