Councillor claims babies for houses..

[the agent]

[quote=hopi watcher]

I have just listened to this gobsh*te on local radio and it was depressing stuff. It reminded me of the infamous launch of the PDs with an attack on lone parents at the top of their agenda..

3rd or 4th time you've said this. You can back up this wild assertion with facts like a link or article I take it? Judging by your previous posts hard facts aren't your forte. Hysterical left wing hyperbole might sound good and compassionate and all but I find it is rarely sensible.

I thought you'd be occupied for a few days reading the ream of 'facts' left for you on another thread.
The PDs spent their first years of existance singling put lone parents for constant abuse. The usual 'sponger' stuff. That is a matter of historical fact and a perusal through the media of the time will show this.
The comments that Scully made are loaded for the simple reason that he wants us to believe that he was 'told' that this was the case by a constituent and a nurse. From these contacts he then concludes that this is a frequent occurrance. What obviously happened was he scanned the waiting list, noted that a lot of applicants are lone parents and then his bigotry kicked in and led him off on a tangent to tar all lone parents in a generalised statement. The assertion that women are becoming pregnant intentionally to boost their chances of getting a house is rediculous and offensive to women. Can you not see that?[/quote:2v57ghov]

I think you are falling into that politically correct trap that some people fall into. I read last Fidays examiner and his points were very clear, he said that some young women were getting pregnant to get a council house or help them get up the ladder, this was due to a chronic shortage of social housing and that the Government should recognise this and get all the state agencies involved to find a solution to this issue. I think most resonable people would agree with Cllr Scully however the politcally correct brigade will never accept this, because it might offend a few people. I remember it was once wrong to speak about abortion and suicide in this Country and thankfully the times have changed. Oh by the way the editor of the examiner said that Scully should be commended for his comments as it raised the whole issue that most politicans are afraid to mention. I suppose now the editor of the examiner is now a right wing facist like Scully??

[hopi watcher]

[quote=the agent][quote="hopi watcher":10oyvxex]

I have just listened to this gobsh*te on local radio and it was depressing stuff. It reminded me of the infamous launch of the PDs with an attack on lone parents at the top of their agenda..

3rd or 4th time you've said this. You can back up this wild assertion with facts like a link or article I take it? Judging by your previous posts hard facts aren't your forte. Hysterical left wing hyperbole might sound good and compassionate and all but I find it is rarely sensible.

I thought you'd be occupied for a few days reading the ream of 'facts' left for you on another thread.
The PDs spent their first years of existance singling put lone parents for constant abuse. The usual 'sponger' stuff. That is a matter of historical fact and a perusal through the media of the time will show this.
The comments that Scully made are loaded for the simple reason that he wants us to believe that he was 'told' that this was the case by a constituent and a nurse. From these contacts he then concludes that this is a frequent occurrance. What obviously happened was he scanned the waiting list, noted that a lot of applicants are lone parents and then his bigotry kicked in and led him off on a tangent to tar all lone parents in a generalised statement. The assertion that women are becoming pregnant intentionally to boost their chances of getting a house is rediculous and offensive to women. Can you not see that?[/quote:10oyvxex]

I think you are falling into that politically correct trap that some people fall into. I read last Fidays examiner and his points were very clear, he said that some young women were getting pregnant to get a council house or help them get up the ladder, this was due to a chronic shortage of social housing and that the Government should recognise this and get all the state agencies involved to find a solution to this issue. I think most resonable people would agree with Cllr Scully however the politcally correct brigade will never accept this, because it might offend a few people. I remember it was once wrong to speak about abortion and suicide in this Country and thankfully the times have changed. Oh by the way the editor of the examiner said that Scully should be commended for his comments as it raised the whole issue that most politicans are afraid to mention. I suppose now the editor of the examiner is now a right wing facist like Scully??[/quote:10oyvxex]

I listened to him carefully on the radio. It is utterly rediculous to conclude, having noted that the waiting list has a high number of lone parents, that they are becoming pregnant to get a house. Stigmatising people in this way is dangerous, unjust and anyone with aspirations to political office who cannot see that, should be advised to seek other employment. There is no need to refer at all to the status of people seeking assistance with housing if all that Scully was about was engaging with the authorities to have the housing supply increased to meet that need. This was about things other than demanding more resources be used to provide housing for those that cannot do so for themselves.
As regards Scully, are you saying that he is not on the rightwing of a right of centre party?

[the agent]

[quote=hopi watcher][quote="the agent"sfxdta3][quote="hopi watcher"sfxdta3]

I have just listened to this gobsh*te on local radio and it was depressing stuff. It reminded me of the infamous launch of the PDs with an attack on lone parents at the top of their agenda..

3rd or 4th time you've said this. You can back up this wild assertion with facts like a link or article I take it? Judging by your previous posts hard facts aren't your forte. Hysterical left wing hyperbole might sound good and compassionate and all but I find it is rarely sensible.

I thought you'd be occupied for a few days reading the ream of 'facts' left for you on another thread.
The PDs spent their first years of existance singling put lone parents for constant abuse. The usual 'sponger' stuff. That is a matter of historical fact and a perusal through the media of the time will show this.
The comments that Scully made are loaded for the simple reason that he wants us to believe that he was 'told' that this was the case by a constituent and a nurse. From these contacts he then concludes that this is a frequent occurrance. What obviously happened was he scanned the waiting list, noted that a lot of applicants are lone parents and then his bigotry kicked in and led him off on a tangent to tar all lone parents in a generalised statement. The assertion that women are becoming pregnant intentionally to boost their chances of getting a house is rediculous and offensive to women. Can you not see that?[/quotesfxdta3]

I think you are falling into that politically correct trap that some people fall into. I read last Fidays examiner and his points were very clear, he said that some young women were getting pregnant to get a council house or help them get up the ladder, this was due to a chronic shortage of social housing and that the Government should recognise this and get all the state agencies involved to find a solution to this issue. I think most resonable people would agree with Cllr Scully however the politcally correct brigade will never accept this, because it might offend a few people. I remember it was once wrong to speak about abortion and suicide in this Country and thankfully the times have changed. Oh by the way the editor of the examiner said that Scully should be commended for his comments as it raised the whole issue that most politicans are afraid to mention. I suppose now the editor of the examiner is now a right wing facist like Scully??[/quotesfxdta3]

I listened to him carefully on the radio. It is utterly rediculous to conclude, having noted that the waiting list has a high number of lone parents, that they are becoming pregnant to get a house. Stigmatising people in this way is dangerous, unjust and anyone with aspirations to political office who cannot see that, should be advised to seek other employment. There is no need to refer at all to the status of people seeking assistance with housing if all that Scully was about was engaging with the authorities to have the housing supply increased to meet that need. This was about things other than demanding more resources be used to provide housing for those that cannot do so for themselves.
As regards Scully, are you saying that he is not on the rightwing of a right of centre party?[/quotesfxdta3]

I listened to him with Matt Cooper last thursday and his points seemed valid to me, why was he getting so much support through people texting the show saying he was right, was it only right wing people who text these shows. Why is the waiting list for single parents so high, next you will be telling me that some single women dont have their boyfriends living with them in their council houses which is against the rules. Are you saying that a small precentage of single women dont get pregnant to get up the list, why is scully a gobs**te for saying this, as I already said which you ignored, he was commended for raising the issue. Yes he could be right wing same as their is left wing and centre politicans in the country, doesnt mean they are gobsh**tes because they dont share your idealogy. This is a democracy we live in, I'm sure Cllr Scully will be held to account next summer by his peers. Don't be too surprised if he gets elected.

[hopi watcher]

[quote=the agent][quote="hopi watcher":13pdbljj][quote="the agent":13pdbljj][quote="hopi watcher":13pdbljj]

I have just listened to this gobsh*te on local radio and it was depressing stuff. It reminded me of the infamous launch of the PDs with an attack on lone parents at the top of their agenda..

3rd or 4th time you've said this. You can back up this wild assertion with facts like a link or article I take it? Judging by your previous posts hard facts aren't your forte. Hysterical left wing hyperbole might sound good and compassionate and all but I find it is rarely sensible.

I thought you'd be occupied for a few days reading the ream of 'facts' left for you on another thread.
The PDs spent their first years of existance singling put lone parents for constant abuse. The usual 'sponger' stuff. That is a matter of historical fact and a perusal through the media of the time will show this.
The comments that Scully made are loaded for the simple reason that he wants us to believe that he was 'told' that this was the case by a constituent and a nurse. From these contacts he then concludes that this is a frequent occurrance. What obviously happened was he scanned the waiting list, noted that a lot of applicants are lone parents and then his bigotry kicked in and led him off on a tangent to tar all lone parents in a generalised statement. The assertion that women are becoming pregnant intentionally to boost their chances of getting a house is rediculous and offensive to women. Can you not see that?[/quote:13pdbljj]

I think you are falling into that politically correct trap that some people fall into. I read last Fidays examiner and his points were very clear, he said that some young women were getting pregnant to get a council house or help them get up the ladder, this was due to a chronic shortage of social housing and that the Government should recognise this and get all the state agencies involved to find a solution to this issue. I think most resonable people would agree with Cllr Scully however the politcally correct brigade will never accept this, because it might offend a few people. I remember it was once wrong to speak about abortion and suicide in this Country and thankfully the times have changed. Oh by the way the editor of the examiner said that Scully should be commended for his comments as it raised the whole issue that most politicans are afraid to mention. I suppose now the editor of the examiner is now a right wing facist like Scully??[/quote:13pdbljj]

I listened to him carefully on the radio. It is utterly rediculous to conclude, having noted that the waiting list has a high number of lone parents, that they are becoming pregnant to get a house. Stigmatising people in this way is dangerous, unjust and anyone with aspirations to political office who cannot see that, should be advised to seek other employment. There is no need to refer at all to the status of people seeking assistance with housing if all that Scully was about was engaging with the authorities to have the housing supply increased to meet that need. This was about things other than demanding more resources be used to provide housing for those that cannot do so for themselves.
As regards Scully, are you saying that he is not on the rightwing of a right of centre party?[/quote:13pdbljj]

"I listened to him with Matt Cooper last thursday and his points seemed valid to me, why was he getting so much support through people texting the show saying he was right, was it only right wing people who text these shows. Why is the waiting list for single parents so high, next you will be telling me that some single women dont have their boyfriends living with them in their council houses which is against the rules. Are you saying that a small precentage of single women dont get pregnant to get up the list, why is scully a gobs**te for saying this, as I already said which you ignored, he was commended for raising the issue. Yes he could be right wing same as their is left wing and centre politicans in the country, doesnt mean they are gobsh**tes because they dont share your idealogy. This is a democracy we live in, I'm sure Cllr Scully will be held to account next summer by his peers. Don't be too surprised if he gets elected.[/quote:13pdbljj]

A careful reading of this post will give a clue to the thinking behind these comments. If all that Scully was about was pointing out that there is need for additional resources to provide for the housing needs of the community then the numbers on waiting lists makes the argument. Singling out people with specific need, such as lone parents, is not necessary to make the case. Having singled out lone parents and suggesting that women are becoming pregnant to get on the housing list, what does he propose be done about that if he regards it as undesirable?
I note your comment about 'live-in boyfriends' and if you check back on the attacks made by the PDs on lone parents you will find that this was a repeated charge when calls were being made to cut lone parent allowances etc.
With regard to the elections, I have little doubt that you are correct. This area after all gave us 'let them eat cake' McCreevy

[KingKane]

Next we'll have outrage at someone suggesting that any woman has ever gotten pregnant in order to trap a man into marrying her. It's never happened in all of human history I'm sure of it.

[Leftfemme22]

[quote=barrys]

I have just listened to this gobsh*te on local radio and it was depressing stuff. It reminded me of the infamous launch of the PDs with an attack on lone parents at the top of their agenda..

3rd or 4th time you've said this. You can back up this wild assertion with facts like a link or article I take it? Judging by your previous posts hard facts aren't your forte. Hysterical left wing hyperbole might sound good and compassionate and all but I find it is rarely sensible.

I thought you'd be occupied for a few days reading the ream of 'facts' left for you on another thread.
The PDs spent their first years of existance singling put lone parents for constant abuse. The usual 'sponger' stuff. That is a matter of historical fact and a perusal through the media of the time will show this.
The comments that Scully made are loaded for the simple reason that he wants us to believe that he was 'told' that this was the case by a constituent and a nurse. From these contacts he then concludes that this is a frequent occurrance. What obviously happened was he scanned the waiting list, noted that a lot of applicants are lone parents and then his bigotry kicked in and led him off on a tangent to tar all lone parents in a generalised statement. The assertion that women are becoming pregnant intentionally to boost their chances of getting a house is rediculous and offensive to women. Can you not see that?

Can you supply links to this PD abuse? Or are you just spouting crap?[/quote:red83cjt]

Save it, the PDs are finished.

But what rock where you hiding under in 1997

[hopi watcher]

[quote=barrys]

I have just listened to this gobsh*te on local radio and it was depressing stuff. It reminded me of the infamous launch of the PDs with an attack on lone parents at the top of their agenda..

3rd or 4th time you've said this. You can back up this wild assertion with facts like a link or article I take it? Judging by your previous posts hard facts aren't your forte. Hysterical left wing hyperbole might sound good and compassionate and all but I find it is rarely sensible.

I thought you'd be occupied for a few days reading the ream of 'facts' left for you on another thread.
The PDs spent their first years of existance singling put lone parents for constant abuse. The usual 'sponger' stuff. That is a matter of historical fact and a perusal through the media of the time will show this.
The comments that Scully made are loaded for the simple reason that he wants us to believe that he was 'told' that this was the case by a constituent and a nurse. From these contacts he then concludes that this is a frequent occurrance. What obviously happened was he scanned the waiting list, noted that a lot of applicants are lone parents and then his bigotry kicked in and led him off on a tangent to tar all lone parents in a generalised statement. The assertion that women are becoming pregnant intentionally to boost their chances of getting a house is rediculous and offensive to women. Can you not see that?

Can you supply links to this PD abuse? Or are you just spouting crap?[/quote:g3onp0iu]

Newspapaer section, any library.