in all fairness, Ryan simply implemented a recommendation from a review initiated before his time, and is also the norm in many other parts of Europe, its a revenue generator to the government that will not impact one bit on carbon emissions or the like so i don't think its fair to call that a green policy or successOriginally Posted by Fnarr-Fnarr
Enda Kenny on FF government: “We’re in this mess, not because Fianna Fáil policies have failed, but because they have succeeded.”
It depends on the priorities of the Greens.Want to make a little long bet?
Where exactly are the "fundi" green voters going to go, even if things stay as they are? But in fact I'd say things will get better. The Greens have 5 years to pull a few strokes and I'd say they'll do it. So far nothing, it has to be said, but it's early days.
I can't see any sort of new "greener than green" party getting anywhere.
Its a fair point that 'fundi' greens wont be going anywhere else regarding their votes, but the problem could be that they dont vote at all.
I have no idea what percentage of the Greens are fundi's. I would imagine that there is a higher ratio among members (more motivated, more likely to join etc) than among the Green voters in general. McKenna strikes me as a fundi, and she got 33% of the vote, but then again people would have voted for her because they like her, met her in the Supermarket, etc etc. Non- Government issues.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if sod all Green voters are Fundi's.
The problem may be that a certain amount of Green voters were motivated to float over to them because of dislike of FF and the PD's.
You will have problems getting them back, but its absolutely beyond my ability to quantify how many people there are like this. iT may be insignificant.
Another problem will be transfers from FG and Lab voters.
If FF replace them, that ceases to be an issue however.
One problem may be that FF tends to have a few candidates on the slate.
Transfers, after giving FF 1,2,3,4, aren't hugely useful to smaller parties.
If you add a 5 and 6 for PD or independent candidates, suddenly the preference becomes a 7.
This however is constituency dependent. John Gormally wont have 4 FF candidates in his constituency, neither will Gogarty. Ryan will have 3, Cuffe only 2, while I think Mary White could be in trouble even at this juncture.
While the discussion is always fresh, fascinating and entirely non-partisan, can we not twist this thread into "Greens in government" discussion?
(This isn't levelled at you Meriwether, more at LowIQ.)
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This going to be more of a Bebo-centred onslaught.Very well.Ive decided to take offence anyway.
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I agree. Rushing to government like the Greens did looked craven and a complete abandonment of Green "principles." Voters may not vote for other parties but they will be more cautious next time around.It depends on the priorities of the Greens.Want to make a little long bet?
Where exactly are the "fundi" green voters going to go, even if things stay as they are? But in fact I'd say things will get better. The Greens have 5 years to pull a few strokes and I'd say they'll do it. So far nothing, it has to be said, but it's early days.
I can't see any sort of new "greener than green" party getting anywhere.
Its a fair point that 'fundi' greens wont be going anywhere else regarding their votes, but the problem could be that they dont vote at all.
I have no idea what percentage of the Greens are fundi's. I would imagine that there is a higher ratio among members (more motivated, more likely to join etc) than among the Green voters in general. McKenna strikes me as a fundi, and she got 33% of the vote, but then again people would have voted for her because they like her, met her in the Supermarket, etc etc. Non- Government issues.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if sod all Green voters are Fundi's.
The problem may be that a certain amount of Green voters were motivated to float over to them because of dislike of FF and the PD's.
You will have problems getting them back, but its absolutely beyond my ability to quantify how many people there are like this. iT may be insignificant.
Another problem will be transfers from FG and Lab voters.
If FF replace them, that ceases to be an issue however.
One problem may be that FF tends to have a few candidates on the slate.
Transfers, after giving FF 1,2,3,4, aren't hugely useful to smaller parties.
If you add a 5 and 6 for PD or independent candidates, suddenly the preference becomes a 7.
This however is constituency dependent. John Gormally wont have 4 FF candidates in his constituency, neither will Gogarty. Ryan will have 3, Cuffe only 2, while I think Mary White could be in trouble even at this juncture.
Banned temporarily by politics.co.uk (ie this site) so as not to "offend" the Brits during Mrs. Windsor's visit.
Still censored because I cannot start a thread!
Former? Is that a typo, or have I been further out of the loop than I thought?
Congrats to Cllrs. O'Brien and Matthews, btw.
"If there is a future, it will be Green." - Petra Kelly.
Can't believe one would lament the loss of "women" or "men" on the team...surely we have moved beyond that nonsence...its the best PERSON that should be elected not their gender.
On Cllr Matthews..Not a YG, Not DIT Staff
He has a student e mail address but the dude is in his late 40's a "mature" student. Seems to have been plucked out the air though. Anyone any more information on his background?
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