Time for Labour and S.P (Joe Higgins) to unite?

[PhoenixIreland]

Phoenix, i assume I have a far greater knowledge of economics and history than you.


If money money is taxed, it is taken out of economy and destroys jobs. If invested wisely, it will create more wealth and jobs. If it isnt, the money is wasted, it destroys the economy. Like the bank bailout.

You assume wrong.
Listen, I'm gonna level with you, your TOTALY wasting your time arguing with me about this. I'm not gonna listen. Your ideology is a collosal failure, and I personally experience the failure of it [COLOR="Red"]painfully [/COLOR]every single day. So to me your stale arguments are like an old soviet bureaucrat trying to tell me about the merits of central economic planning.

Just because I'm not yet totally convinced of the merits of JollyRedGiants argument does not mean I'm adopting yours.
Why on earth would I support an economic system that has so ********************ed me in the ass repeatildy?, and not in the good way.
I'm not, after all that personal experience combined with my own academic knowledge of the absurdity of the system your supporting, going to even take your ideology seriously as even having enough merit to be a valid option for humanity to take anymore.

No, your wasting your time man.

I'm looking for any alternative to the farce we have now.

[Mr.De-Regulation]

You assume wrong.
Listen, I'm gonna level with you, your TOTALY wasting your time arguing with me about this. I'm not gonna listen. Your ideology is a collosal failure, and I personally experience the failure of it [COLOR="Red"]painfully [/COLOR]every single day. So to me your stale arguments are like an old soviet bureaucrat trying to tell me about the merits of central economic planning.

Just because I'm not yet totally convinced of the merits of JollyRedGiants argument does not mean I'm adopting yours.
Why on earth would I support an economic system that has so ********************ed me in the ass repeatildy?, and not in the good way.
I'm not, after all that personal experience combined with my own academic knowledge of the absurdity of the system your supporting, going to even take your ideology seriously as even having enough merit to be a valid option for humanity to take anymore.

No, your wasting your time man.

I'm looking for any alternative to the farce we have now.

Eh i dont know what country you live in but here in Ireland, we live in a controlled economy, not a free market. Embracing free market capitalism, will not only fix the global recession, but will prevent further ones. I have not been presented with a plan from the Reds. Why should I follow socialism, if I dont have clue what their policies are? Why should my country be ran by morons that dont have a clue about economics?

[JollyRedGiant]

Coke, Apple, and McDonalds, are not capitalists, they are businesses.

...run by capitalists

You can make profits without employing other people.

true - but that does not detract from the argument I am making .

[quote=Mr.De-Regulation;1774049]We already have a democratically planned economy. [quote]
What country are you living in???

Lenihan canstantly refers to the country 'regaining the confidence of the markets' - all the decisions relating to the banks in this country is nothing to do with helping ordinary owrking class people and everything to do with preserving the 'reputation' of the banks on international stock markets.

You havent suggested how you would do things that Fianna Fail wont.

I won't do anything - the working class people of this country will - when the working class move in unison there is no force on the planet that can stop it.

Taxes take money out of the circulation, slows down economic activity, thus destroys jobs.

Not if you tax the rich and re-invest the money in economic activity.

[Mr.De-Regulation]

[quote=JollyRedGiant;1774117]...run by capitalists


true - but that does not detract from the argument I am making .

[quote=Mr.De-Regulation;1774049]We already have a democratically planned economy.

What country are you living in???

Lenihan canstantly refers to the country 'regaining the confidence of the markets' - all the decisions relating to the banks in this country is nothing to do with helping ordinary owrking class people and everything to do with preserving the 'reputation' of the banks on international stock markets.


I won't do anything - the working class people of this country will - when the working class move in unison there is no force on the planet that can stop it.


Not if you tax the rich and re-invest the money in economic activity.

FF already tax people and try to invest in "economic activity". I fail to see how the socialist party would anything different from Fianna Fail. You are a different side of the same coin.

[JollyRedGiant]

FF already tax people and try to invest in "economic activity". I fail to see how the socialist party would anything different from Fianna Fail. You are a different side of the same coin.

FF tax ordinary people and give tax breaks to the rich, the FF government does not invest in anything of substance. The Socialist Party would tax the rich and invest in ordinary people thereby creating an investment of substance.

[Skint]

FF tax ordinary people and give tax breaks to the rich, the FF government does not invest in anything of substance. The Socialist Party would tax the rich and invest in ordinary people thereby creating an investment of substance.

FF have already taxed my former company so much I'm now one of the 1 in ten, the rich will always find ways to avoid tax people like me will not.

[JollyRedGiant]

the rich will always find ways to avoid tax.

Not if we were in charge of dealing with it.

[Mr.De-Regulation]

But you dont present a way to deal with it, nor do you suggest what we should be investing in.

[Ecoguy]

Everything he said in the Dail over the last 10 years about Bertie's Celtic Tiger has proven to be right. The man is the Nostrdamus of our time

[Catalpa]

Not if we were in charge of dealing with it.

Under your system the Rich would eventually disappear

- so who pays the Taxes then?