Labour and the OIRA connection

[Skin]

While I dont doubt that the current leadership of the Labour Party had or have directly anything to do with criminality it remains beyond basic logic that senior members of the Labour Party while as members of the Workers Party were completely unaware of that party's connection with a paramilitary organisation and its criminal activities. Maybe someone could shed light on it for me.

[stretchneil]

Ah, what? Come on, relevance to the current context?

[Vox Populi]

Long road to social democracy
- Liam O Ruairc
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/599/ireland.htm

For anyone interested, they should investigate the link between Proinsias De Rossa and the assassination of Seamus Costello. Proinsias De Rossa managed a 'Stickie' drinking club in Dublin in the late 70s, from which Jimmy Flynn emerged to murder Costello and returned to after.

[Red-Devolutionary]

eh? not only did some of them know, as far as i know certain member have done time including one senior member, but thats all a long time ago and in the public record, as far as i know they werent running around killing catholic builders for working on the wrong house, or australian tourists for being in the wrong place like the deities of the provisional movement,

as far as i know the WP was at worst guilty of counterfieiting some dollars, oh no

(ok i may be understating it, but post cesefire thats about the height of it, and their ceasfire was genuinely over a generation ago)

if they were soviet backed, surely part of their whole point was undermining the ultimate capitalist beast?? so in fact counterfieting dollars was more a political move than a criminal one, dont you think :wink:

anyway i digress,
youre not saying anything new or unknown, but whats the point youre trying to make? are you a shinner trying to deflect from some argument made from a labour person? if so wouldnt it be more appropriate to reply on that thread?

if not what is the point and context for your post? do you just genuinely want to know more? my thoght is someone should point you to some books rather than discuss it here.

happy holidays !

[coconut]

(ok i may be understating it, but post cesefire thats about the height of it, and their ceasfire was genuinely over a generation ago)

Surely you mean their virtual cessation of existence. I haven't heard anything about the OIRA in a very long time.

[Red-Devolutionary]

(ok i may be understating it, but post cesefire thats about the height of it, and their ceasfire was genuinely over a generation ago)

Surely you mean their virtual cessation of existence. I haven't heard anything about the OIRA in a very long time.

yes i think youre right,
very humourous way of putting it,
im guessing you're a shinner to get the little dig in, are you?

i think its fair to say the ceasefire happened and they slowly died out
afterwards.... maybe literally

you guys didn't have anything to do with that? did you? :wink:

what does your quote in irish mean coconut? please?

[coconut]

yes i think youre right,
very humourous way of putting it,
im guessing you're a shinner to get the little dig in, are you?

Wasn't trying to get a dig in. I was being perfectly honest. Aside from a few times as a wee lad I've never heard anything about the OIRA.

i think its fair to say the ceasefire happened and they slowly died out
afterwards.... maybe literally

Probably.

you guys didn't have anything to do with that? did you? :wink: ?

I suppose I volunteered for the Provo label when joining Sinn Féin so I'll have to say that no, we Provos had nothing to do with that. The PIRA/OIRA war never existed. It was all a dream. A dreeeeaaaaaammmmmm.

...cough...

[Skin]

eh? not only did some of them know, as far as i know frankie ross and a few others have done time, but thats all a long time ago and in the public record, as far as i know they werent running around killing catholic builders for working on the wrong house, or australian tourists for being in the wrong place like the deities of the provisional movement,

as far as i know the WP was at worst guilty of counterfieiting some dollars, oh no

(ok i may be understating it, but post cesefire thats about the height of it, and their ceasfire was genuinely over a generation ago)

if they were soviet backed, surely part of their whole point was undermining the ultiamate capitalist beast?? so in fact counterfieting dollars was more a political move than a criminal one, dont you think :wink:

anyway i digress,
youre not saying anything new or unknown, but whats the point youre trying to make? are you a shinner trying to deflect from some argument made from a laboru person? if so wouldnt it be more appropriate to reply on that thread?

if not what is the point and context for your post? do you just genuinely want to know more? my thoght is someone should point you to some books rather than discuss it here.

happy holidays !

I wasnt trying to make a point. I just wanted to know could anyone shed some light on OIRA activities of the past with current memebrs of the Labour Party. You acknowledge that it is highly likely that senior members of the Labour Party were aware of criminal activity. I have respect for the Labour Party but the two things I dont like about them are 1)They claim to be the party of James Connolly whose aim was to unite all the workers of Ireland. Yet they refuse to contest elections in the North of Ireland - something I feel would have repulsed Connolly.
2) Senior members have a dubious past with regard to paramilitarism and criminal activities to forward their cause as acknowledged by yourself.

[BarryW]

Remind me again wht De Rossa, Gilmore, Rabbitte, McManus et al. left the Workers Party....

Then you will have an answer to this Q, re. their attitudes to the OIRA

[ireland2004]

Remind me again wht De Rossa, Gilmore, Rabbitte, McManus et al. left the Workers Party....

Then you will have an answer to this Q, re. their attitudes to the OIRA

Does 'the Chief' not have an opinion on this matter?