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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    And have it led by Kelly? No thanks.
    Kelly really is about the only chance they have to stay relevant as a party though. He's a departure from the old guard, which is what's needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurial View Post
    There's nothing admirable about standing by your principles if they are sh*t principles.
    And that's a very subjective judgment, Mr Mercurial.
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    What they did on marriage equality was good but might have hurt them with rural conservatives. The broken promises on water and "Frankfurts way or Labours way" epitomised they were not in the promise keeping business on those issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    What they did on marriage equality was good but might have hurt them with rural conservatives.
    They never had a big rural vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Danger View Post
    They never had a big rural vote.
    They got a fair chunk in 2011 eg Arthur Spring. Also in the Inter Party govts of 1948-51, Labour had a large farm-labourer vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    What they did on marriage equality was good but might have hurt them with rural conservatives.
    I doubt the rural cons would be voting for them in any event, and sure many of them are as quare as fuk anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northsideman View Post
    Labour for some crazy reason are still patting themselves on the back about the great job they did saving us all from ruination. They still can't understand why the average pleb isn't down on their knees paying homage to them. They were our savours and we are a utterly ungrateful bunch of ba$tards.

    They still don't get it and therein lies their present plight.
    That about sums it up.

    Alan kelly still angrily argues for water charges while Howlin defends the austerity and regressive budgets.

    They should be following the ff populist route like Martin last night giving out about everything while no specific solutions offered.

    Labour still trying to be the best boys in the room.

    Does anyone even know who their housing spokesperson is ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    They got a fair chunk in 2011 eg Arthur Spring. Also in the Inter Party govts of 1948-51, Labour had a large farm-labourer vote.
    Would that be Dick Spring's nephew, Arthur Spring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlovian View Post
    That about sums it up.

    Alan kelly still angrily argues for water charges while Howlin defends the austerity and regressive budgets.

    They should be following the ff populist route like Martin last night giving out about everything while no specific solutions offered.

    Labour still trying to be the best boys in the room.

    Does anyone even know who their housing spokesperson is ?
    I wouldn't say the populist route just back to what they profess to be, a Labour party, simple really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos Danger View Post
    Would that be Dick Spring's nephew, Arthur Spring?
    Yes. He was not a conservative but in Kerry there are a lot of social conservatives.
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