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    Labour have proved they don't stand for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milipod View Post
    Hard Labour.
    Beats the Hard Left....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Do you think Kelly could do it? I think he'd be better than Howlin but I still see the need fro Labour to stand for something different.
    Kelly makes for good headlines and media coverage. Howlin is an irrelevant little git. The problem with Kelly is that he is still associated with that Irish Water scam. The rest of the Labour TDs seem to have one more election cycle at best. And there are the Local Elections coming up which may see Labour decimated at a grassroots level.
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    They desperately needed to pivot after the last election and say "The last Labour generation's finished it's duty, we're on to the future" and utilise that young talent under the caretaking of the youngest TD they had.

    Which unfortunately is Kelly, but still: Better than someone irrevocably associated with the only Labour policy of the last 12 years of "Get as many pensions for our TDs as possible".

    Labour don't have social priorities, they don't have economic priorities. They've been barren for some time. They needed to do something extreme and, as Spring's attitude exemplifies, they don't get it that everything they were has been taken over by SF.
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    Parties that enter coalition as junior partners tend to be wiped out. They are expected to act as watchdog, but as FG could have done a deal with Independents Labour really couldn't. Sort-of like the PDs in 2002-7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Parties that enter coalition as junior partners tend to be wiped out.
    True the PDs, Greens and now Labour can attest to that.
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    Labour for some crazy reason are still patting themselves on the back about the great job they did saving us all from ruination. They still can't understand why the average pleb isn't down on their knees paying homage to them. They were our savours and we are a utterly ungrateful bunch of ba$tards.

    They still don't get it and therein lies their present plight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Do you think Kelly could do it? I think he'd be better than Howlin but I still see the need fro Labour to stand for something different.
    Alan Kelly got a massive amount of abuse on social media for his support for water charges but he stuck to his guns. Whatever you might think of his stance on the overall issue (I support him), any politician who stands by his principles like that is worthy of admiration IMHO.

    However, fundamentally, it's about his age. Check out the results of the French and Austrian elections. Young leaders have traction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    The first thing that Labour has to do is to depose the homunculus Howlin and have a leadership election.
    And have it led by Kelly? No thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wascurito View Post
    Alan Kelly got a massive amount of abuse on social media for his support for water charges but he stuck to his guns. Whatever you might think of his stance on the overall issue (I support him), any politician who stands by his principles like that is worthy of admiration IMHO.

    However, fundamentally, it's about his age. Check out the results of the French and Austrian elections. Young leaders have traction.
    There's nothing admirable about standing by your principles if they are sh*t principles.
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