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    Congalltee Congalltee is offline

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    What's wrong with loyal Labour supporters?

    What's wrong with die-hard Labour supporters?

    Whatever about not being able to take a beating, the ones I have read seem to think:-
    - the electorate were ungrateful for their "achievements" (including allowing the Irish people take part in a referendum).
    - they are entitled to not be part of the next government (while lecturing other parties about their duty)
    - they don't see anything wrong with a left wing party (which they see themselves as) voting in the Dail to re-elect a Christian Democratic leader.
    - none of their new TDs were re-elected and they've been left with the sad seven survivors, but they still see themselves as progressive.
    - many seem to want to boycott the 1916 commemoration and don't see themselves as republican in any way (not Irish Republican but actually valuing being in a republic and what is should stand for).


    Is the party too middle class?
    Has the trade union money blinded them to danger of careerists like David Begg, rather than the needs of trade union members (and those who wish they could have the benefit of such representation eg zero hour contractors, casualisation of workforce).
    Are they too close to the obnoxious crew in Fine Gael?
    Arrogance a la Alan Kelly?
    The reverse takeover with Gilmore/Rabbite not even standing after forcing the young TDs to stick with their pension enchanting programme for government?
    A complacency after Michael D's election (and thank tweet for that)

    Just what is wrong with them?
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    I don't think that they know what to do they are in such a state of shock. Ireland needs a Labour Party but they will have to go back to their roots. In dozens of municipal districts in the May local elections there was no labour candidate. For the next local elections Labour has to have at least two candidates in each district. They also have to clear out the deadwood in head office. They have to try and get some of the progressive members of the Dail to liaise closely with them (wouldn't Roisin Shortall make a good Labour leader?).
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    Lúidín Lúidín is online now
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    So all they need is to replace all their TDs with people of principle, get some members and some policies that actually benefit the voters. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Clover View Post
    I don't think that they know what to do they are in such a state of shock. Ireland needs a Labour Party but they will have to go back to their roots. In dozens of municipal districts in the May local elections there was no labour candidate. For the next local elections Labour has to have at least two candidates in each district. They also have to clear out the deadwood in head office. They have to try and get some of the progressive members of the Dail to liaise closely with them (wouldn't Roisin Shortall make a good Labour leader?).
    That post gets to the kernel of the issue - does Ireland still need a Labour party? With the Greens and SDs serving middle-class voters, and both AAA-PBP and SF appealing to working-class communities, what position can Labour carve out to remain relevant?
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    They are still at stage 1 ........Denial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lúidín View Post
    So all they need is to replace all their TDs with people of principle, get some members and some policies that actually benefit the voters. Simple.
    Ouch!
    I can't see too many taking the bait to respond.
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    Well here's a Labour Lass who voted No to Homosexual Marraige and who told the local branch they would get ************************ all thanks for promoting "The greatest human rights issue of our time(sic)-, Eamonn Gilmore,.
    We need to cop on a little and realise that these things don't win votes.
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    They have spent too much time listening to the pontifications of the likes of Fergus Finlay and not enough time actually out in the real world, knocking on doors in working class areas and LISTENING to folk. The are great at talking at folk and piss poor at listening and actually absorbing the messages of what is happening on the ground and effecting peoples lives. Or maybe the just don't care.

    Until they grasp this they are irrelevant except to those do gooders who can afford to vote for them and they'll soon move on elsewhere.
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    im axeled im axeled is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lúidín View Post
    So all they need is to replace all their TDs with people of principle, get some members and some policies that actually benefit the voters. Simple.
    they need to start convincing the voters that they have changed their ways, which with their present set of td's is impossible, they need to start and fast at that, otherwwise they can take their place alongside the dodo
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    Quote Originally Posted by peader odonnell View Post
    Well here's a Labour Lass who voted No to Homosexual Marraige and who told the local branch they would get ************************ all thanks for promoting "The greatest human rights issue of our time(sic)-, Eamonn Gilmore,.
    We need to cop on a little and realise that these things don't win votes.
    whatever about that referendum, they need to take on board some honosty
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