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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    They were part of an unpopular govt and got no thanks for doing what they said they would do - protecting the ps and welfare dependents
    Are you mental?

    They protected neither.
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    Nothing wrong with them at all, their reaction was predictable. Now that the 'Ol Bolshevik' element are out of government for the foreseeable future, their counterparts in the unions are gearing up to create industrial mayhem.

    The Luas debacle is probably the first of many political strikes aimed at the working public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    Are you mental?

    They protected neither.
    They did, the PS kept their increments and basic welfare payments were not cut, both would have happened under a FG only govt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    They did, the PS kept their increments and basic welfare payments were not cut, both would have happened under a FG only govt.
    The basic rate of social welfare was cut, reduced down from over 200 to 180. I was made redundant at the time and I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    They did, the PS kept their increments and basic welfare payments were not cut, both would have happened under a FG only govt.
    And then FG would of been kicked to the curb along with FF.......

    I hope Labour members did better on forecasting the nags at Cheltenham than on politics as it's the only thing they will be winning on for the foreseeable future....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skypeme View Post
    Nothing wrong with them at all, their reaction was predictable. Now that the 'Ol Bolshevik' element are out of government for the foreseeable future, their counterparts in the unions are gearing up to create industrial mayhem.

    The Luas debacle is probably the first of many political strikes aimed at the working public.
    So people who engage in strike actions aren't the 'working public '.....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breanainn View Post
    That post gets to the kernel of the issue - does Ireland still need a Labour party? With the Greens and SDs serving middle-class voters, and both AAA-PBP and SF appealing to working-class communities, what position can Labour carve out to remain relevant?
    Add in that ALL the political parties (notably so, SF, PBP, AAA and the SP) have adopted the pro immigration and liberal PC mindset of Labour, there is now no room for them.

    Their utter support of FG policies buried them out of sight, and it looks like the main unions are now looking at the alternative political parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Congalltee View Post
    What's wrong with die-hard Labour supporters?

    Whatever about not being able to take a beating, the ones I have read seem to think:-
    - the electorate were ungrateful for their "achievements" (including allowing the Irish people take part in a referendum).
    - they are entitled to not be part of the next government (while lecturing other parties about their duty)
    - they don't see anything wrong with a left wing party (which they see themselves as) voting in the Dail to re-elect a Christian Democratic leader.
    - none of their new TDs were re-elected and they've been left with the sad seven survivors, but they still see themselves as progressive.
    - many seem to want to boycott the 1916 commemoration and don't see themselves as republican in any way (not Irish Republican but actually valuing being in a republic and what is should stand for).


    Is the party too middle class?
    Has the trade union money blinded them to danger of careerists like David Begg, rather than the needs of trade union members (and those who wish they could have the benefit of such representation eg zero hour contractors, casualisation of workforce).
    Are they too close to the obnoxious crew in Fine Gael?
    Arrogance a la Alan Kelly?
    The reverse takeover with Gilmore/Rabbite not even standing after forcing the young TDs to stick with their pension enchanting programme for government?
    A complacency after Michael D's election (and thank tweet for that)

    Just what is wrong with them?
    they support labour, that's what is wrong with them
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    Labour supporters, apart from Toland, seem to be an endangered species not only on P.ie but in Ireland. A lot of former Labour loyalists seem to be very upset with the betrayal of their party by the Stickies and their parliamentary party collaborators.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    They did, the PS kept their increments and basic welfare payments were not cut, both would have happened under a FG only govt.
    Increments were reduced, allowances were abolished and incremental delays are ongoing.

    Unemployment benefit was cut to 100 per week for under 26 year olds
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