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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    Again. . another attempt by the FG/Labour spoofers to derail the thread by discussing me.

    I appreciate that it must be desperately embarrassing for you that the trade union who set you up want nothing more to do with you. . . But hey. . Let's talk about me.
    Just because you have thrown your toys out of the pram doesn't mean the whole crèche will follow suit
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    SIPTU's link with Labour goes back to the 1990's when SIPTU was founded. Labour was established by the ITUC which no longer exists in 1912. SIPTU was formed by a merger of ITGWU and FWUI. Both unions at different times in the past disaffiliated from Labour. In fact the ITGWU established it's own political party in the 1950's National Labour which entered coalition with Fine Gael.

    History repeats itself.
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    As long as the ruling Kim family in Pyongyang don't break the link with the Stickies, all will be well......
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    Quote Originally Posted by automaticforthepeople View Post
    SIPTU's link with Labour goes back to the 1990's when SIPTU was founded. Labour was established by the ITUC which no longer exists in 1912. SIPTU was formed by a merger of ITGWU and FWUI. Both unions at different times in the past disaffiliated from Labour. In fact the ITGWU established it's own political party in the 1950's National Labour which entered coalition with Fine Gael.

    History repeats itself.
    Quite true. The LP have had a distant relationship with the unions for a while now.

    This hasn't stopped them taking money from them to fund their election campaigns.

    It seems that the LP like to be socialists and in support of unions whn it is politically opportune for them to do so.

    However when given the responsibility of government their hand is revealed throughout their actions. . . The grand facade is revealed to be what it is.

    PS. . Indeed SIPTU was formed from a merger involving the ITGWU (formed in 1909) who set up the LP in 1912 to promote their political objectives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    Quite true. The LP have had a distant relationship with the unions for a while now.

    This hasn't stopped them taking money from them to fund their election campaigns.

    It seems that the LP like to be socialists and in support of unions whn it is politically opportune for them to do so.

    However when given the responsibility of government their hand is revealed throughout their actions. . . The grand facade is revealed to be what it is.

    PS. . Indeed SIPTU was formed from a merger involving the ITGWU (formed in 1909) who set up the LP in 1912 to promote their political objectives.
    Not true, ITGWU did not set up Labour, ITUC did that. ITGWU were effectively a dock labourer's party only. The real hero of the ITGWU was Wlliam O'Brien who kept the union going when Larkin was awol in the states and after Connolly was executed. ITGWU faced enormous hostility from British based unions and saw the opportunity to build only when Dev came to power. National agreements between them and Dev ensured more pay for their members and more members as a consequence. That relationship between Unions and FF blossomed and unions only had an interest in Labour when they were in government and only then to have a cut at them.
    Billy Mullan actually oversaw the Gregory deal to get CJH into power. What unions are up to now is no different to what they did 30 or more years ago. Back to the future, history repeats itself!
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    That's to ignore this:

    The Political Fund was established following a ballot of the members on the occasion of the merger of the ITGWU and the FWUI, resulting in the formation of SIPTU.
    A contribution of 63 cent per member per annum is allocated from the General Fund to the Political Fund. Members who have chosen to be exempt from the Political Fund are excluded from the calculation. In this regard the 63c for the exempt members is not transferred to the Political Fund but remains within the General Fund.
    The Political Fund is used for the Union’s political activity, i.e. rallies and campaigns etc. It has also been used to support SIPTU candidates contesting elections who are members of the Labour Party to which the Union is affiliated. In the past, our affiliation to the Labour Party was also paid out of the Political Fund however, in the current year, no money has been paid to the Labour Party including by way of affiliation, as there is impending legislation regarding corporate donations which we understand may preclude payments to political parties.
    We have used the Political Fund this year to pay for the Union’s involvement in the February 9th Austerity Rallies which were about lifting the burden of debt on our members and their families and seeking investment in jobs. It is our intention to continue to use the Political Fund in this manner and members should be advised that these campaigns are essential if we are to influence policy in favour of workers and their families.
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    I do not think they willl leave while Jack O Connor is around.Jack is well heeled to have
    his life disrupted now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    It's up to SIPTU to decide who they want to affiliate themselves with.

    It seems to me that they no longer associate themselves with a party set up by the trade unions in 1912. . . The LP.
    Do you think that SIPTU should be affiliated to a political party?

    What party do you think SIPTU should be affiliated to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cogar View Post
    Do you think that SIPTU should be affiliated to a political party?

    What party do you think SIPTU should be affiliated to?
    Unions are not political parties and they affiliate themselves to parties that represent their interests.

    IT's up to SIPTU members to decide which party they should affiliate themselves to.

    Certainly they seem to be deciding that the Labour party is not for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    Unions are not political parties and they affiliate themselves to parties that represent their interests.

    IT's up to SIPTU members to decide which party they should affiliate themselves to.

    Certainly they seem to be deciding that the Labour party is not for them.
    Let's try another way. Do you think that trade unions in general should affiliate to political parties? Any unions - any party.
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