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Thread: Time for New Labour?

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    Time for New Labour?

    Following Labours stagnation with the electorate, Pat Rabbitte's pre elecion tax-cut strategy, post election re-branding strategy, Pat's distain for the non pact strategy in 2002 and Brendan Howlin's castigation of the FG pact in 2007, is it time for a totally new direction? should we see a New Labour style reassessment of free market socialism for 21st century Ireland?

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    Yea its time for the Broughan age.
    Liquidate labour, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate.

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    It's definitely time for Labour to take advice on direction from a PD....
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    New ideas badly needed. This country is crying out for a left of centre government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stretchneil
    It's definitely time for Labour to take advice on direction from a PD....
    PD ideas worked for uk labour. you cant still be looking to marx and connolly surely.

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    You can't still be looking to Friedman and Hayek surely?

    Of course Labour is looking into it's past...Great knowledge comes from historical analysis!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iago
    Quote Originally Posted by stretchneil
    It's definitely time for Labour to take advice on direction from a PD....
    PD ideas worked for uk labour. you cant still be looking to marx and connolly surely.
    Arguably one of the most breathtakingly stupid comments on P.ie - and that's saying something.

    If you think for one minute that the numpty, free-market nonsense that passed (once upon a time, and no longer) for PD policy has anything to do with the policies of New Labour from 1997 to date then you simply haven't been paying attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by setanta
    Quote Originally Posted by iago
    Quote Originally Posted by stretchneil
    It's definitely time for Labour to take advice on direction from a PD....
    PD ideas worked for uk labour. you cant still be looking to marx and connolly surely.
    Arguably one of the most breathtakingly stupid comments on P.ie - and that's saying something.

    If you think for one minute that the numpty, free-market nonsense that passed (once upon a time, and no longer) for PD policy has anything to do with the policies of New Labour from 1997 to date then you simply haven't been paying attention.
    do you think New Labour was all about collective ownership, state monopolies, a pro union agenda and a distain for free market economics? you have seen the uk news these past ten years haven't you?

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    Can someone tell me what is so "free" market about our present supply side economic agenda? This government has overseen the largest transfer of tax receipts and assets from the public purse into a few private individual's pockets. These are not free market policies but concertated government interventionist policies. The free market is a typical modern myth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockyracoon
    Can someone tell me what is so "free" market about our present supply side economic agenda? This government has overseen the largest transfer of tax receipts and assets from the public purse into a few private individual's pockets. These are not free market policies but concertated government interventionist policies. The free market is a typical modern myth.
    with respect RR, thats loony.

    1. tax receipts have increased dramatically from every source, income tax, cap gains, corporation tax, vat, you name it. when you incentivise the action by reducing the burden you increase the rate. proven the world over. that is why the state now has all the money that it has.

    2. per capita income has soared, people living in persistent poverty,(even the new more affluent definition of that), down by 260,000 and a swollen middle class lifted from the old working class. not a few individuals at all.

    3. the break up of the states intervention in the provision of many goods and services (although you are right, there is so much more to do there.)

    although a free market has not been achieved yet, we're still trying!

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