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I see the Labour party was making a plan for young SF people to defect yesterday on the TV. Should all broadly nationalist left wing people now move to Labour. Does Labour want them?
What would a nationalist be doing in the Labour Party? It's just the local branch of the European Socialists and is opposed to Irish control over our own affairs. None of the major parties are nationalist.
Sinn Fein have a big chance now to lead nationalism in Ireland. But if their only ambition is to be a junior partner is a pro-EU government then they will have blown it.
Originally Posted by TradCat
SF is dead on its feet. What does it stand for?
Anti EU? Not really, not sure
Pro national Unity? who isn't?
Socialist? Kind of
Pro enterprise? Kind of
Law and Order? Eh?
What do you stand for? you cant take the place of FF because most people who eat their dinner in the middle of the day are scared stiff by you. They will never forget Warrington etc. That is just a fact of life. Trying to be all things to all people is a disaster for SF.
I would share your concerns about the Labour party being a partionist party in the past. Did the workers party injection change anything there? I dont know. I don know SF wont change anything, nobody is going to vote for mary lu.
what would a republican be doing in sf ?, havent they sold out on everything that the war was about ?
you can agree or not , but power sharing with the dup was not what the war was fought for
and who wants to listen to mary lou ?
"If we VOTE YES there will be no more austere budgets. Fact " Hammer, mayday 12'
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I'm not a Shinner. I'm fairly sure that if Bertie had wanted them in government instead of the Greens they would have jumped at it and supported Lisbon. The Greens in opposition would have opposed it of course.
"the war"? would people drop this pseudo-military clap trap to cover murders and robberies
Yes they have and in my opinion they were right to do so. The "war" was a failure by whatever standard you choose to apply to it. The inability to face that fact will make republicanism a waste of time and a side-show for the foreseeable future.
Nationalism is a broader church and let's face it if London and Dublin are both subservient to Brussels then what does it matter how EU decisions get to Belfast.
No doubt, SF leadership are nothing is not practical. I admire there for their grasp of compromise nature of politics. But the generations are moving on. "The war" is over. I get why someone that is exercised by the excesses of the British would support Adams, McGuinness et al. They are not pretending to be what they are. But this is 2009 now, they will retire soon, people in their 20s cant even remember the troubles. Why in the name of god would anyone want to vote for Mary Lu? She is on TV 24/7 and still does not get elected. She is a member of FF that was rejected as a FF candidate. If I were a young SFer in Dublin who wanted power rather than protest I would be looking very hard at Labour.
i agree the war was a failure,
fg in opposition are a failure
greens in government are a failure
pd's took 20 years for the cnuts to be found out are now a failure
on the basis , why should anyone care about anything , just leave zanu ff there forever what will ever change anyway
"If we VOTE YES there will be no more austere budgets. Fact " Hammer, mayday 12'
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Labour might achieve office but never power. Power is elsewhere now.
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