There was no Genocide of the Armenians
A Statement like that could possibly earn you a jail term in France.
The French parliament has just made denial of the massacre of the Armenians in WWI an offence.
As a result Turkey has cut of all military ties with France.
Surely its time to stop this creeping PC in History where we have now reached the crazy stage where to disagree with 'Official' History can earn someone a jail term?
Europa Conventus Delenda Est
There isn't a creeping pc-ification of history.
This action by the French has more to do with combating neo-fascism then with making history all pc. Denying that Armenians were massacred is just the latest trick by the same type of people who "deny" that the Holocaust ever took place.
Denying that either of these events took place is like denying the existance of Gerry Adams.
After all, I've never seen the man in the flesh, only on TV. Who is to say he's not a special effect created by republican computer geeks in order to push their political agenda on us all? :!:
Of course there was a genocide of the Armenians. Don't feel comfortable with banning people denying it though. Freedom of speech is a vital Western value.
Freedom of speech was a vital Western value. Once upon a time. A long time ago in a political climate far, far away...
Je suis un loo-lah
I would tend to agree with you FT but there are always limits to free speech.
I can't say that you are a child molester.
I can't shout "fire" in a crowded theatre.
I can't engage in hate speech either, and that's what this is about.
He does exist - I've met him!Originally Posted by Wolverine
What has the fate of the Armenians in WWI got to do with neo-fascism?
It's PC gone mad IMO.
Europa Conventus Delenda Est
Laws like this only fuel the egos of the nutjobs, who convince themselves they hold some dangerous truth that frightens the powers that be.
"Our revenge will be the slaughter of their children."
Or maybe you met an actor pretending to be him, after all.
He does exist - I've met him!
It's a well known fact that he was often impersonated by an actor in the early 90s. How can you be sure that it didn't happen to you?
The same thing that the death of jews in WWII has to do with neo-nazism. But to be specific, there is plenty of room for debate about the Armenian holocaust, but denying it is an attempt to make today's decendants of the political groups who did it seem less nasty.What has the fate of the Armenians in WWI got to do with neo-fascism?
After all, if the holocaust didn't happen, was Hitler really that bad?
From Wikipedia:
During a February 2005 interview with Das Magazin, novelist Orhan Pamuk made statements implicating Turkey in massacres against Armenians and persecution of the Kurds, declaring: "Thirty thousand Kurds and a million Armenians were killed in these lands and nobody but me dares to talk about it". Subjected to a hate campaign, he left Turkey, before returning in 2005 in order to defend his right to freedom of speech: "What happened to the Ottoman Armenians in 1915 was a major thing that was hidden from the Turkish nation; it was a taboo. But we have to be able to talk about the past".[43] Lawyers of two Turkish ultranationalist professional associations then brought criminal charges against Pamuk.[44] On January 23, 2006, however, the charges of "insulting Turkishness" were dropped (because of technical reasons), a move welcomed by the EU — that they had been brought at all was still a matter of contention for European politicians.
Well the Turks are pretty upset over it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6153186.stm
"What all the wise men promised has not happened and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass". Lord Melborne, on Catholic emancipation in Ireland
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