Nope, what we are seen is a stupid media who are inacapable of providing the facts
and a negative and angry populace who are actually demonising the wrong Minister:
Mary O Rourke introduced a three year TDR years ago which Michael Mc Dowell Legislated
for.
*Ireland and UK have the highest existent TDR retention in the EU.* Fact
This site is gone to all hell, if posters/members cannot grasp the simple bare facts
and from that build their case on civil liberties. (FFS)
This is the EU Directive which the Independent reported on without contextualising
the existent Irish TDR situation, this was then served up by the OP as something new:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...06L0024:en:NOT
Digital Rights Ireland Thoughts on the new Data Retention Bill
For reading on TDR in Ireland since 2002, including the former Justice Minister's
Legislation both IT and DRI have archive info on what the situation is the TDR
in this Directive is a lot lighter that the current State mechanisms.
politics.ie is hosted in the USA so we have the protection of the 1st amendment.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Originally Posted by dot
Lads suffice it to say that every post on this thread is wrong in some way or other - and it's not often you can say that!
To the EU-bashers, let me say this: once again you have proven yourselves to know very little about the EU you despise so bitterly! In this case in particular, it was the EU who came to Irelands rescue.
Ireland enacted a 2006 law on data protection in response to an EU directive in the same year. However, our legislators provided for all personal data (phone calls, text messages, emails) to be kept for a maximum of 3 years. This only related to the numbers/email addresses contacted and the time and date - it does not allow the content to be accessed.
However, the EU commission took Ireland to the ECJ arguing that 3 years was far too long to keep such personal information. And in March of this year the ECJ ruled in favour of the Commission and stated that the Irish law was to be amended with 2 years being the maximum time for data retention.
So, if anything, the EU saved us from ourselves. And once again, the Anti-Lisboners have shown themselves for what they are - a bunch of ignorant, begrudging halfwits. If you guys got your facts right before arguing for a No vote then you'd have some chance of being respected. But listening to your arguments with each passing day reaffirms my conviction in a Yes vote in October.
Back to the thread, I still don't think you can say that we live in a police state. We don't have the same level of CCTV or data retention as ANY of our European counterparts. Furthermore, we don't even have a DNA database in this regard. We have one police force - unlike countries like Britain, France and Germany who have many different forces...some of them secret in that they undertake subversive practices.
So where exactly is your justification for such a rash statement? It's very easy to make statements but facts are what we need.
The toilet will just have a little urine analysis machine that will automatically alert the HSE, the Gardai and your health insurer if you've been drinking too much, taking coke, or a diabetic.
You'll be immediately put into a straight jacket and dragged off for treatment.
Seriously, that's that kind of nonsense we're headed for. Just because we can do all this stuff doesn't mean we should.
How would you like if An Post required you to provide your PPS number eachtime you sent something through the mail and a right to photocopy the contents of any letter? There'd be uproar!
I simply don't think the directive should exist at all. We can deal with our own corrupt halfwit Government by voting them out. However, I think the Commission and the EP is grossly overstepping its role by implementing directives that infringe on civil rights like that.
I am quite strongly in favour of the EU, I am totally opposed to this kind of spying on citizens though.
As far as I am concerned both FF and the Commission are undermining freedom of speech by doing this. I don't really care who did it first. They're both fully culpable.
Perhaps its time that we roll out some proper personal privacy laws, preferably Europe-wide.
While I am in favour of most things about the EU, I do think that there is a gaping democratic deficit and it needs to be addressed in a much more serious way than by the Lisbon Treaty.
Just because I critise something does not mean that I'm immediately a raving Euro-sceptic. I simply don't like this aspect of the EU and I want something done about it. Until then, I don't necessarily think I want to grant the organisation any more control over my affairs.
As for FF, I will be doing my utmost to ensure that they are booted out of office for a whole variety of reasons. Roll-on election 2009!
Last edited by slx; 14th July 2009 at 11:46 AM.
Six, your on to something there ,get out quick and patent the idea and product,I know a few chinese that will put the product together for ya
A champion of the people emerges with the age-old and appealing promise of "something for nothing" - to be financed through every-increasing taxes. Supply and demand are thrown out of gear - the overhead goes up; the effective use of human energy goes down; the standard of living is lowered because money cannot buy wealth that is not produced.
WEAVER, HENRY GRADY,
Really? So you are happy for all your comms records to be kept for 2 years? I think that you are missing the central argument.
Regards...jmcc
Seriously, take a look around you. You are in Ireland. Where do you see a precedent for organisation, law enforcement and harnessing new technologies? You people live in a mad fantasy world.
What does 'all your comms' refer to?
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