Kick your Dad to death: off you go!

[cunno1961]

You obviously have not been reading these threads properly,my Brother Vincent has already given a clear account of the life he was leading but for clarity....

By the age of 15 he had stolen from just about every single member of his family as well as ours.
He was sent to Ireland by his Mother in 2006 as vicious death were made towards his Mother(well her residence) due to his activity in drug dealing ,so he was sent to 2 frail pensioners (whom only wanted to retire peacefully) under a tissue of lies.

he was given money daily by my parents,but that was not good enough he then chose to steal from them up to around 4000 euro.My dad loved that boy so much that he protected him and gave him chance after chance not even telling us what was going on.

He was insanely jealous of Brendan over the Carer's money I can talk this as fact as I had a conversation with him (Feb. 2007).

How many more chances to you think people like this deserve?

And if you were to read my threads properly you will clearly see that all we required from the Irish Judicial System was "Justice for Brendan" .Do you think we got that?

"Life is precious as it is sacred ,it is enshrined and protected in Law"

Mark Cunningham

[Ulster-Lad]

I have been following this thread all week and it relly does amaze me that there are so very few people that believe that tommy deserves another chance nobody knows the life he was living i am not saying the way he reacted was the right way but that boy has to live with what he has done for the rest of his days

Sure he has to live with it. His father does not because Tommy savagely murdered him.

[parakeet]

I have been following this thread all week and it relly does amaze me that there are so very few people that believe that tommy deserves another chance nobody knows the life he was living i am not saying the way he reacted was the right way but that boy has to live with what he has done for the rest of his days

Well said. The callousness with which some on here would throw away the key and ruin this man's life is shocking.

[maria01]

Well said. The callousness with which some on here would throw away the key and ruin this man's life is shocking.

Why should a custodial sentence ruin his life? It could be the making of him.

This is a man who has had no real moral compass all his life, no firm discipline or regard for authority & has left school with no qualifications.
Why could not a spell in prison make him focus on where his life has brought him thus far & what he could do about it himself to improve it. He could take time to gain the qualifications that he chose not to take. I don't believe that everyone who enters the prison system comes out a drug addicted loser. If they do they surely you should be channelling your energies into lobbying your politicians for penal reform & not pontificating about how a 6 year suspended sentance for unlawfully killing someone is not too "lenient".

[gregorypeck]

how do you know he hasnt already started to get his qualifications and that he is trying to make good i know you are all angry and upset wich is understandable but i dont think you would have been satisfied unless he was in prison for life charged with murder.

[maria01]

how do you know he hasnt already started to get his qualifications and that he is trying to make good i know you are all angry and upset wich is understandable but i dont think you would have been satisfied unless he was in prison for life charged with murder.

quite the contrary, I have wrestled with my conscious over whether my Nephew should serve a prison sentence & have had many a debate with friends & family. However I have sat through the entire court case & I believe that this was a brutal & sustained attack. If he had killed an un-related person in the same manner I would still expect him to have served a custodial sentance.

How do I know he is not trying to make good - I don't other than neither myself nor my mother has been appoached with any sign of remorse.

As for the qualifications.....the only thing he seems to have gained whilst on bail was another conviction.

[TWITCH]

I have also been following this thread I believe “The Cunningham Family” should voice their opinions in a different manner. A forum is not really the place for this to be done. Yes what has happened to them is awful and I can understand their anger, but to continually voice their thoughts in this way is not going to change anything and neither will any body else who uses this forum. The judge and jury have made their decision and I guess for them it was not an easy one whilst you may disagree with the outcome you really should be going through the correct channels to try and change it. To continually bad mouth someone on a forum is not the answer.

[Andrew49]

Nice one "TWITCH"! Is the "TWITCH" a member of the parrot family? Do you mind me putting your "name" in quotes?

"TWITCH" wrote:

I believe “The Cunningham Family” should voice their opinions in a different manner. A forum is not really the place for this to be done.

Would smoke signals do it for you "TWITCH"? They are fully entitled to bring to the attention of members of this forum not only the sense of their terrible loss but also how betrayed they feel with the Criminal Justice system - particularly how sentences for brutal slayings are arrived at. Do you actually think that this issue is NOT going to be an item 'on the doorsteps' at up-coming by-elections? That this issue won't be raised at the next General Election?

"TWITCH" wrote:

Yes what has happened to them is awful and I can understand their anger.

Actually what happened to Brendan was even more awful - he was brutally beaten to death by a homicidal thug. You do not understand their anger other wise you wouldn't have written your diatribe.

"TWITCH" wrote:

.. but to continually voice their thoughts in this way is not going to change anything and neither will any body else who uses this forum. The judge and jury have made their decision and I guess for them it was not an easy one whilst you may disagree with the outcome you really should be going through the correct channels to try and change it.

Are you actually admitting that politics [the art of the possible apparently] in this country is banjaxed? That because their is no consistency on sentencing homicidal thugs in this country that sentencing isn't something that should be debated? Are you implying that because the system is broken we shouldn't attempt to fix it or arrive at a consensus ?

"TWITCH" wrote:

To continually bad mouth someone on a forum is not the answer.

How do you bad mouth a homicidal thug? All that has been written about him, by the relatives of the man who was brutally slain, are facts.

Perhaps you should change your name to "TWIT"

[TWITCH]

Andrew49 all I am trying to say is that the family should use the correct channel to voice their anger, a forum is not the answer or a way to change the outcome.Yes the system is broken and yes we can try and change it but how about doing something more constructive than moaning on a forum. Our young people need help and direction. Branding this young man as a homicidal thug is not going to help him change his life around.Our young people are the future generation locking up the ones who have made mistakes is not the answer. Before you jump down my throat Andrew 49 I am not suggesting that you can call what has happended to this family a mistakefar from it. Lets help our youngsters so that something like this does not happen to another family.

[Andrew49]

Branding this young man as a homicidal thug is not going to help him change his life around.Our young people are the future generation locking up the ones who have made mistakes is not the answer. Before you jump down my throat Andrew 49 I am not suggesting that you can call what has happened to this family a mistake far from it. Lets help our youngsters so that something like this does not happen to another family.

The young people of Ireland are alright, they're living quite ordinary and extraordinary lives, and they aren't committing homicide [or patricide]. Indeed most of them are participating in society and are active in community groups, sports and youth activities. They go about their lives daily and typically without need for praise or any desire for the spotlight to be focused on them or their activities - they just get on with it no matter the social or economic circumstances they hail from. They don't feel they are owed much from society - they they are owed more than they receive or realise. There are also those young people whose behaviour needs to be challenged - and this work is mostly done by parents (some struggling already), and voluntary groups up and down this island. And this kind of youthwork is mostly unnoticed by the powers-that-be yet for the most part it is successful in turning young people into participating members of society. And the only harm some of these young people are likely to do is to themselves.

To compare these young people to a homicidal thug is a cop-out. This guy chose to live on the fringes of society, only crawling out from under his rock when he could see some profit for himself - and remember, he was prepared to use shocking violence towards his own goals.