TV3's evening news showed 65pc of those polled said the Minister for Justice had got it wrong by reversing his decision to deport Olunkunle Elanhanle
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/ ... e_id=12256
So much for "public opinion" wanting him to stay here.
I guess it depends which poll you look at... I'm pretty sure it was on RTE I saw one a few days ago showing 60% support for Olunkunle.
Well, show us a policy -- a clear, workable immigration policy. The "whatever-McD-thinks-today" policy is not exactly transparent."The fact that a person is a good student, or that he or she has athletic prowess, is a good activist in a local church or has lost one parent, or does not know the where abouts of the other parent, are not grounds on which I can run a proper policy," said McDowell.
Only about 250 people took part in the RTE online poll. The TV news reaches millions. The latter would be more representative. The TV3 poll was very representative at the time of the citizenship referendum, predicting 80% would vote Yes when it showed that 80% were opposed to every baby born in Ireland getting Irish citizenship.
Also, McDowell has admitted the vast majority of calls to the PD's after the decision were opposed to it.
We spoke last year. McDowell, listen to us, not the tiny left wing groups.
A proper immigration policy is one in which asylum applications are processed within months rather than years, and in which economic migrants are deported and genuine refugees (in the danger-fleeing sense of the world) are let stay.
But we need a policy, and efficient/humane/consistent processing times and procedures.
It is a failure of the government to allow people to become integrated into Irish society if they are simply going to be deported.
I am not in favour of an entirely open-door immigration policy (despite catalpa's accusations), but I think that things have to be done efficiently and fairly and at the moment, that's not happening.
Only 77 people have been deported in 2004 so far and you say the system isn't humane? Even though 1,200 deportations orders have been issued this year. (my source is today's Irish Times Editorial).But we need a policy, and efficient/humane/consistent processing times and procedures.
It is a failure of the government to allow people to become integrated into Irish society if they are simply going to be deported.
I am not in favour of an entirely open-door immigration policy (despite catalpa's accusations), but I think that things have to be done efficiently and fairly and at the moment, that's not happening.
A strict interpretation of the Dublin Convention is needed. People from safe countries are not refugees and should not be allowed in.
Now you might be able to argue that someone was a refugee at the time they first entered the EU. If so, in reaching the EU at all they have found safehaven. They have no desperate need as in life or death to travel to Ireland. They should stay put in the first port of call and claim for asylum there.
Asylum should not be used as a mechanism for economic migration. Some here have argued that it should. I disagree.
my granny is a terrible racialist and just got a new mobile phone. yesterday afternoon when she came back from the garden centre, they didn't have her favourite tulips, she was quite upset and drank a half bottle of brandy. anyway, when the TV3 news poll came on, she was like a woman possessed continually presses buttons for hours on end and muttering 'keep the darkies out' continually to herself. i think she managed to get some of the other folks from the senior citizen centre involved also.
anyway, i hope this goes some way to explaining the result of the poll.
No but it goes some way to showing what planet people on the opposing side of the argument to me are living onOriginally Posted by willy_wallace
It was a very sttange poll. The evening before TV3 had a poll asking should he be allowed return and I think about 75% said yes.
People are strange.
People are strange. But those who reply to TV phone polls are stranger than most. If you believed the SKy News active polls for the last five years, the Tories would have swept back into power in the UK ages ago. By their nature these things attract the most extreme/bitter/lonely members of the public; they should certainly not be used to back up an argument, whatever it is.
Anyway, even if 90% of people think he should be thrown out of the country again, it's irrelevant to me. The original decision was morally unjustifiable (as well as being stupid from an economic and social point of view) and the right thing has now been done. What some racist with a mobile thinks of it all doesn't concern me.
PS Futuretaoiseach, I was among the 80% who voted yes, and I'd do it again tomorrow. That doesn't mean I support what happened to the young Nigerian guy.
I think this basically boils down to broader perspectives on immigration. If you have a general belief that immigration needs to have much tighter controls then you will vote against such a poll. If you believe that our stance on immigration is too restrictive (as I do) and are opposed to deportations, you will support it. Only in the places affected by the specific cases, will people take the specifics into account.
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