TV3 poll - 65% opposed to Olunkunle's return

[FutureTaoiseach]

Jesus Christ, you really are stupid, aren't you?

A refugee is someone who has been granted refugee status by the state. There are Convention Refugees and Programme Refugees.

Okay? Now go back and try again.

OK. Well if you have refugee status you have already been found to be a genuine asylum-seeker (in the eyes of the state anyway). So yes they should be allowed work. They are no longer asylum seekers at this stage.

Asylum seekers awaiting a decision - dont let them work - its unfair to those that paid for their work permits and aren't getting free acomodation at our expense. Letting them work was tried in 1998 and led to numbers seeking asylum soaring to 11,000. Hence the Government changed the policy so that future asylum seekers couldn't work.

I hear Pat Rabbitte has been ranting on about supposedly deportations taking please every week. But he neglects to mention that only 77 have been deported out of tens of thousands. Hardly a "cruel and heartless" policy.

There seems to be a campaign to obstruct the deportation of ALL failed asylum seekers, irrespective of their circumstances.

NTR you are absolutely correct! A lot of funny things going on here. Direct flights to Ireland that don't exist (unless he came by magic carpet which some of the lefties probably believe - I have a feeling that if he claimed that they would say they believe him - their standard of proof is virtually non-existent).

[smiffy]

OK. Well if you have refugee status you have already been found to be a genuine asylum-seeker (in the eyes of the state anyway). So yes they should be allowed work. They are no longer asylum seekers at this stage.

Go back and read the post again (perhaps for a third time).

Why are you bringing up the issue of working now. You were going on about the dole earlier, remember? With citizenship comes the right to go on the dole, remember? That's what I was asking you about.

[FutureTaoiseach]

OK. Well if you have refugee status you have already been found to be a genuine asylum-seeker (in the eyes of the state anyway). So yes they should be allowed work. They are no longer asylum seekers at this stage.

Go back and read the post again (perhaps for a third time).

Why are you bringing up the issue of working now. You were going on about the dole earlier, remember? With citizenship comes the right to go on the dole, remember? That's what I was asking you about.

OK it's like this then. Basically, unless their asylum application has succeeded, no jobs should be available to them to avoid acting as a pull factor for those wanting to get around the work-permit rules - as it did last time remember when allowing them to work in 1998 caused numbers to rise to 11,000 in one year.

I don't pretend to understand the minute details of what it means to be a Programme or Convention Refugee. I stand by what I have just typed, regardless of whether the person is either. If their asylum application is successful let them have the rights the Irish people have. Otherwise no.

My point about the dole was that if their claim succeeded then they would be able to go on the dole like Irish people, and that should encourage us to observe a strict interpretation of the Dublin Convention in rejecting fairly automatically asylum-seekers who arrived in another EU state before Ireland.

[Quant]

Only about 250 people took part in the RTE online poll. The TV news reaches millions. The latter would be more representative. The TV3 poll was very representative at the time of the citizenship referendum, predicting 80% would vote Yes when it showed that 80% were opposed to every baby born in Ireland getting Irish citizenship.

Well I dont know about everyone else, but I stopped listening to futuretaoiseach after that post. Anyone who honestly suggests that TV3's inane polls are in any way statistically sound is obviously deluded :P