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About LinkBacksits mentyioend on this thread already, aboiut the number of applications and the % granted.
And Im glad its you asking about prrof it would be hypcoriticial of Hopi, who has libeled me and told outright lies on this thread already.
its mentyioend on this thread already, aboiut the number of applications and the % granted.
And Im glad its you asking about prrof it would be hypcoriticial of Hopi, who has libeled me and told outright lies on this thread already.
It seems to me, from the UN data etc, that there exists strongholds in Nigeria where the evil practive of FGM is carried out. This is totally unacceptable. I think most posters on this site would agree.
I seems to me, that the bases of this womens case has been lost, due to failure in the application itself, loss in the courts and now the forgery of the documents.
This case was never about the nation of Nigeria, that would be racist, it was solely about this woman and her children and whether the state agreed that her staying in Ireland was necesasry to protect her family from the accepted disgrace of FGM.
It was not a referendum on FGM. It was not a referendum on this family.
It now appears that since the case is lost, her supporters want to forget her particular case and widen the debate to the fundamental problem with FGM. I do not have a problem with a wider debate on FGM, but it does not alter this case.
Many posters have stated that since the possibility exists of FGM if she were to return to Nigeria, the state has a duty to protect. Taking this to it's logical conclusion, does the state not have a duty to protect all people in danger. What about the starving children, the underpaid workers in sweatshops, all those left homeless by natural disaster etc where their government is unable to help.
Are we suggesting that the entire population of Ethiopia be moved over to Ireland? And the entire female population of Nigeria be moved to Ireland? We cannot support the entire lot of them, so who do we choose? Let her stay because she's already here? What about those left behind, do they not deserve our help.
Surely the monies spent on this case would have been better spent funding education campaigns in Nigeria, funding politcal parties who are against FGM, funding charities who work towards erradicating this terrible practice.
Instead her suporters, who now have turned into FGM campaigners, wanted to focus that funding into keeping one family in Ireland. A lost oppurtunity I suspect.
"I've said it before, and I'll say it again: democracy just doesn't work". - Kent Brockman
Originally Posted by Odyessus
The family in question is here, can you not understand the difference.Thyey are here so they are our responibiltiy at this point in time. There is no way that Ireland could grant asylum to the numbers you refer to so that is just plain silly. On the general subject of FGM, there needs to be more urgent international action to stop the practise.
Says the woman who says Nigeria is not fit for dogs.racist
When people resort to that word, it's a tacit admission that they've lost the argument.
So your policy is to only grant asylum to those who come here?
Yeah, that'll work.
Nobody is saying that, that is a red herring. we are talking here about three people who happen to be in Ireland.
Hopi the state has responsibility to those granted asyl;um ior otherwise here legally abnd not to anyone else. This woamn has never had a direct choice between living in Nigeria or living in Ireland, this womaan had the right to due process in Ireland and abused it, this womans children are not in danger. simple fact.
How could we let this family stay & then deny the next one ?
The 'silly' one here is you - you are advocating that any Nigerian, Somalian, congolese etc
girl should be allowed stay in Ireland. Potentially millions of people.
If you stop trying to be smart for a moment you might just realise that the Minister making a decision on humanitarian grounds to reverse a decision of the courts does not denude the state of immegation laws or in any way diminish said laws.
'This woman' , as you repeatedly refer to her, and her children are human beings first, just a reminder.
