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    Quote Originally Posted by hopi watcher
    The comments on Africa and it's people, in similiar style, completely overlooks the manner in which we exploited and continue to exploit that continent and it's people. The wealth that has been plundered from that place by us, if returned, would feed the people for a few years and more. As we blatter here about the rights and wrongs of sending children, from a place that we can be relatively certain they will not suffer FGM to a place where they might fall victim to this dreadful practose, another generations wealth is being systematically sucked out their homeland.
    Ireland never plundered any country. Such self-hating nonsense but so typical of the Irish and Western Left.

    Quote Originally Posted by selfemployedmar
    My point is there are thousands of illegal Irish in USA under assumed names..Brian Cowen was looking for amnesty for the illegal irish from Barack Obama??? When most of them should not be there in the first place does dat not seem hypocritical to you???
    And I do not support our govt on this matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selfemployedmar View Post
    My point is there are thousands of illegal Irish in USA under assumed names..Brian Cowen was looking for amnesty for the illegal irish from Barack Obama??? When most of them should not be there in the first place does dat not seem hypocritical to you???
    Hypocritical by Cowen, yes it is. But neither he nor his party represnt me.

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    RTE are in this mess too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulster-Lad View Post
    Please feel free to direct me to a post that incited racial tensions. PI has been debunked and will probably be deported shortly.
    Not so fast. Her supporters are building a case now on grounds that she should stay based on the inferance she herself may be in danger if returned to Nigeria, from the Nigerian authorities.

    This is based on her own claims and seems to be getting support from RTE, who still will not admit they have been duped, or properly investigate whether or not they have been. The RTE reporter who interviewed the doctor at the center of the documents debacle claims now that the "dread hand" of the Nigerian authorities are behind inconsistancies in his own work.

    The Sunday Times story is here:
    Now Pamela admits papers are faked - Times Online

    To quote the RTE reporter, Philip Boucher-Hayes, who claimed to have interviewed Dr. Unokanjo

    “I have no doubt the dread hand of the Nigerian authorities intervened in this.”
    Yet he says:
    Asked whether he has any doubts about the identity of the interviewee, he said: “It wasn’t a face-to-face interview so you can never say 100%
    There seems to be a strong contradiction here. How can he not be 100%, yet still back PIs story? In undermining the case against her claims he is backing her. Is this what passes for credible journalism from RTE? RTE seem to be positioning themselves to back Izevbekhai, yet not validate her story. But surely the onus to provide evidance lies with Izevbekhai?

    This is beyond farce. Dr. Unokanjo (the 100% real one!) says Izevbekhai never gave birth to a daughter called Elizabeth. So who is telling lies?

    Did RTE lie or where they lied to? Did they check their sources before airing the evidance? Is Izevbekhai lying? Is the Nigerian state lying, as seems to be implied by RTE?

    The last charge is the most serious. Are RTE claiming the Nigerian state is complicit or directing an operation to cover up the birth and death of a child? That is a serious charge to make. If proved false, heads in RTE must roll. It is unacceptable for anyone in the state broadcaster to make such inferances that seem aimed at exhonerating their own lack of professional oversight and procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yosser View Post
    Hypocritical by Cowen, yes it is. But neither he nor his party represnt me.
    So you dont have a problem with Barack Obama sending every illegal irish person back here becuase they have outstayed their visa, falsified documents??
    USA have taken immigrants for years and years in particular our forefathers a lot of them have even been on the run, made good and reinvested back in Ireland.
    A lot of irish women had babies in the USA to keep their status, they god handouts from Irish Catholic Charities all funded by USA governments.
    Australia was the same. So in effect what you are saying make sure we all just stay in our own country, no investment from multi-nationals? Lets be self sufficient and dont harbour illegals even if they have great hardship and in a lot of cases similar to our forefathers?? That really is taking the proverbial pee

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    Quote Originally Posted by selfemployedmar View Post
    So you dont have a problem with Barack Obama sending every illegal irish person back here becuase they have outstayed their visa, falsified documents??
    USA have taken immigrants for years and years in particular our forefathers a lot of them have even been on the run, made good and reinvested back in Ireland.
    A lot of irish women had babies in the USA to keep their status, they god handouts from Irish Catholic Charities all funded by USA governments.
    Australia was the same. So in effect what you are saying make sure we all just stay in our own country, no investment from multi-nationals? Lets be self sufficient and dont harbour illegals even if they have great hardship and in a lot of cases similar to our forefathers?? That really is taking the proverbial pee
    No, I am not saying we should all stay in our own country. I emigrated and did so legally. Many of the forefathers you mentioned also did so legally. You have a very simplistic and uninformed view of emigration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Ireland never plundered any country. Such self-hating nonsense but so typical of the Irish and Western Left.
    Once again you are wrong. We are part and parcel of the West and we were part and parcel on the UK when the plundering started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopi watcher View Post
    Once again you are wrong. We are part and parcel of the West and we were part and parcel on the UK when the plundering started.
    What colonies do we have in Africa?

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    Its not a question of party politics, it is a question about realising we were also in the same boat for years and still are in USA, it is no different. There is a huge outcry on Radio when irish illegals are shackled and deported. Each political party talk out in defence about inhuman treatment ofthe illegal irish. The lobby congress for change to the visa laws.People do a lot of things to survive to make a decent life for themselves..We should be more humble of a country instead we sit in judgement. No one said a word when multi-nationals invested money here, we took the hand of them and got good jobs for this country in return

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopi watcher View Post
    Once again you are wrong. We are part and parcel of the West and we were part and parcel on the UK when the plundering started.
    Over a 100 years ago. Hardly relevant to the issue at hand and frankly a non sequiter introduced by left wing types to try and instill guilt in our population.
    "The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight.” -Golda Meir

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    Quote Originally Posted by TradCat View Post
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    I'll leave others to judge who is being hysterical. It is clear that you don't understand or don't want to admit the implications of what you are proposing. The Minister will have a far better grasp of the situation and it will be impossible for him to meet your demand.

    Mrs Izevbekhai does not have to go back to Nigeria but she has to leave Ireland and should consider herself lucky to escape prison which is where the rest of us would end up if we presented forged documents to the courts.
    Once again, there are no implications whatever if the Minister allows this family to stay on humanitarian grounds, repeat none whatever. If that is the grounds for you calling for the deportation than any fears you may have are groundless and you can now change your opinion.

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