Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[Thac0man]

The courts interpret the law based on the evidence presented. This occurs in all cases. Are you saying that based on a clinical interpretation of the law, that any danger that may be present, should deportation take place, should be ignored?

I think the danger she is facing now is charges in Nigeria for criminal conspiracy and forgery. Escaping criminal prosecution is not grounds for asylum under any internationally recognised rules of asylum. Especially for deeds carried out after she left Nigeria.

Izevbekhai has taken this and every blinkered liberal sop in Ireland to the doors of the high court based on fraudulant claims, then flinched. The result is she has discredited all of her followers who have blindly and without question thrown their reputations behind this woman.

How many bodies who are supposed to be helping legitimate FGM suffers or asylum seekers have been damaged by this? And how many of the people they are supposed to be concerned about are now under the same pall of suspician that accompanies Izevbekhai?

This is not the first time a scammer has gone to the gates of the high court and bottled it, and done so with the full support of self appointed refugee advocates. Yet those self same advocates still refuse to admit the Irish system is fair, not matter how many times they themselves get taken in.

[rkeane]

I wonder are FG now going to withdraw their support for this fraudster? The state should proceed quickly and arrange for her deportation.

[FutureTaoiseach]

I think her solicitor should by now advice her that, her case has got a serious 'defect' to suggest that, the ECJ will arrive at a substancial ground for a reasonable departure on her case to grant her leave to remain in ireland on these ground of fake documentations, however i think the ''locus standi'' has suffered a big blow by the new discovery by the refugee applications commissioners office, but the only remedy now left for her is for the court to gant her reprieve on compassionate ground, which will reduce her case setting a sort of legal precedences to open a floodgate for other's to use in simmilar scenarios which can never be allowed in a small state like ireland.

I think you mean the ECHR, which is not an EU institution and therefore is superseded in Ireland where a conflict arises, by the Irish Constitution. Imho, the ECHR will probably not find in her favour now, but is delaying its decision as a kind of judicial-activism on behalf of the open-doors brigade, which is well represented in the judicial-class of Western Europe. However, this issue once again brings up the issue of the Charter of Fundamental Rights, which really would give the ECJ jurisdiction over asylum-cases like this if we vote for Lisbon. The Charter, imho, in connection with this and other issues like abortion, capital-punishment etc. constitutes the 'silver-bullet' that will kill the Lisbon Treaty.

[hopi watcher]

There are parts of Nigeria, such as Lagos, where FGM is not widespread, and if FGM were her real motive, she would have gone to an African country where FGM is not widespread, such as Morocco or Algeria. Her like were not coming her before 1994, proving her motivation was economic. Imho, we need to get away from costly ad-hoc processing and much to more automaticity for the top-countries of origin of bogus asylum-cases. We need to go down the road of most other Western EU states in terms of humane detention during asylum-applications, to prevent applicants doing a runner to evade deportation as Garda figures show 6000 have done. The asylum appeals system takes far too long, and is being exploited by elements of the legal-profession for profit at the taxpayers' expense via free legal-aid. A whole industry has grown up around asylum, including the legal-industry (of which many TDs and Senators are part), quangos and NGOs, and that is important to understanding why certain people support the status-quo.

This is all academic and you seem to have difficulty grasping the basic fact that this family are here and they claimm that if deported they will be harmed.

[sandar]

This is all academic and you seem to have difficulty grasping the basic fact that this family are here and they claimm that if deported they will be harmed.

Yes thwey do claim it. But we know that several courts have found thweir clim that they will be harmed to be not valid. And we know that she has lied, and seemingly committed fraud, so what value can we place on her claims.?

[Ulster-Lad]

I wonder are FG now going to withdraw their support for this fraudster? The state should proceed quickly and arrange for her deportation.

Will they also withdraw their support for the other fraudsters?

Laois Nationalist - 2009/01/14: Former mayor of Portlaoise gets Irish citizenship

The mayor of Portlaoise who claimed religious persecution.

Gardai uncover €2m fraud by asylum applicants - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

False claims help bill for asylum seekers to hit €300m - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

I have no problem with legitimate claims but this is madness. €300 million Euro this will cost us this year.

[hopi watcher]

And you have accepted the rulings of each court, as you stated earlier. The European court appeal will, in light of the new evidence presented, probably fail. It may even be withdrawn without being heard.

The courts have examined the evidence and have found the claims, surely the danger issue would have been amongst them, to be without merit. It is not up to me whether they stay or are deported. The decision seems to have already been made.

Regards...jmcc

The courts merely test the claim against the existing law. The fact remains that if deported this family may very well come to harm and accordingly to do that would be wrong regardless of a what the law states.

[FutureTaoiseach]

This is all academic and you seem to have difficulty grasping the basic fact that this family are here and they claimm that if deported they will be harmed.

Their mother claims as such, and she has been exposed as using forged-documents. A Nigerian doctor claims to have been solicited by her to provide a forged death-certificate. As such, her credibility is in tatters and she must be deported. Nothing she says from now on can have any credibility. I think you'll find that in any other court case, revelations that a defendent or a witness had used forged-documents would likely cause a judge to order the jury to disregard their evidence or render it inadmissible.

[jmcc]

The courts merely test the claim against the existing law.

And the evidence?

The fact remains that if deported this family may very well come to harm

That is not a fact. It is a claim and in light of recent events, an increasingly dubious one.

Regards...jmcc

[hopi watcher]

Yes thwey do claim it. But we know that several courts have found thweir clim that they will be harmed to be not valid. And we know that she has lied, and seemingly committed fraud, so what value can we place on her claims.?

The issue is that the sourt rules on probabilty, not certainty. The certainty that you and the others here howling for deportation express is bogus. You simply do not have that certainty but are willing to 'take a chance' that there is no harm awaiting this family should e they be deported. I am not prepared to take such a chance and I believer it would be profoundly wrong for anyone else to do so.