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    Quote Originally Posted by hopi watcher View Post
    My capacity to understand it is not blurred by any desire to acquire justifiaction for any racist feelings that may be lurking in the background. If the authors of this report had known that it would be bandied about on this thread, they would have tossed it into the fire.

    translation : you ignore anything that doesn't fit with your blinkered world view.

    Someone has posted from a report that you admire & you still consider it racist. You are totally illogical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopi watcher View Post
    My capacity to understand it is not blurred by any desire to acquire justifiaction for any racist feelings that may be lurking in the background. If the authors of this report had known that it would be bandied about on this thread, they would have tossed it into the fire.
    Back to the old strategy of Book burning, are you a member of a political party by the way, or who would you support, out of curiosity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob3344 View Post
    translation : you ignore anything that doesn't fit with your blinkered world view.

    Someone has posted from a report that you admire & you still consider it racist. You are totally illogical.
    The report is not racist, those that are quoting from it are using to support their scaremongering regarding people seeking to settle here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopi watcher View Post
    The report is not racist, those that are quoting from it are using to support their scaremongering regarding people seeking to settle here.


    But you see the Irish people do not wish to be colonised by these people. They are not wanted here in such numbers and they contribute little or nothing, and that is being charitable. 80 per cent of us confirmed this in the citizenship referendum. That percentage would be even higher today. Feel free to sling the usual "racism" garbage. Water off a duck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampas View Post
    But you see the Irish people do not wish to be colonised by these people. They are not wanted here in such numbers and they contribute little or nothing, and that is being charitable. 80 per cent of us confirmed this in the citizenship referendum. That percentage would be even higher today. Feel free to sling the usual "racism" garbage. Water off a duck.
    Completely agree with you and here is the link to the referendum results.
    Elections Ireland: Referendum 11 June 2004 Irish Citizenship

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    Quote Originally Posted by Horace Horse View Post
    Does anyone know anything about this woman Flynn?

    Obviously here name is Irish, but her accent is of the English mid-upper class. Where did she appear from? Is she a Labour party member, as someone told me?
    Apparently she was born in England of Irish ancestry some way back (maybe grandparents?). She has admitted in a newspaper interview some while back they she favours open-borders, but claimed some of her colleagues in Residents against Racism (among its 5 members!) favour some sort of controls but want it to be "fair" (and we all know what that means in practice). She was apparently a glamour-model in her youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trampas View Post
    But you see the Irish people do not wish to be colonised by these people. They are not wanted here in such numbers and they contribute little or nothing, and that is being charitable. 80 per cent of us confirmed this in the citizenship referendum. That percentage would be even higher today. Feel free to sling the usual "racism" garbage. Water off a duck.
    The one where we voted to deny citizenship to children born here while we still grant citizenship to people born abroad - not one of our proudest moments as a nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imokyrok View Post
    The one where we voted to deny citizenship to children born here while we still grant citizenship to people born abroad - not one of our proudest moments as a nation.
    It was a proud moment. Blood is thicker than water, and the Irish Diaspora are, after Irish citizens from this country, the most Irish people on the planet. They have supported Ireland through thick and thin, and without them, the US involvement in the Northern Peace Process simply would not have happened. I'm proud to be part of the 80% that voted to curtail the abuse of our citizenship-laws that the vast majority of the Irish public believed was happening. Dept of Justice statistics from 2003 showed that 50% of all female Nigerian asylum-seekers were pregnant at the time of their applications, rising to 58% among the over 16's. You also have to remember that the old system of automatic citizenship for being born here was unusual among EU countries. In fact - no other EU state had such provisions, and with good reason. Not only was it putting severe pressure on maternity-hospitals (25% of births in some Dublin hospitals to foreign-nationals), but it also constituted a means of circumventing the immigration and residency controls of the other EU member states. That was not something the Irish govt or people were prepared to accept. The right to freedom of movement within the EU comes with responsibilities as opposed solely to rights. I know the left-liberals want a society based on rights alone, but that it bad for society. The Left-Liberals have contributed to the breakdown of law and order in this country in terms of opposing deterrents for criminals, and if they had their way on asylum, that system was also break down into a general amnesty.

    I recommend that you bear in mind the old maxim: Charity begins at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imokyrok View Post
    The one where we voted to deny citizenship to children born here while we still grant citizenship to people born abroad - not one of our proudest moments as a nation.
    It was good for Ireland, and the Irish people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imokyrok View Post
    The one where we voted to deny citizenship to children born here while we still grant citizenship to people born abroad - not one of our proudest moments as a nation.

    Right so. Let's beat ourselves up and dismantle our border controls such as they are.
    By the way there are many individual and collective actions that might not necessarily induce "pride" but that nevertheless turn out to be vitally necessary and therefore unlikely to be the subject of mass regret.

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