Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[supamolli]

It's published by the UK Home Office / UK Border Agency, hardly an innocent bystander. The UK asylum assessment criteria are hardly relevant to this debate unless you want to include this -
House of Lords to recognise as a refugee a woman who fled female genital mutilation.

Do you? I only ask because it would be very doubtful if PI would meet the criteria laid down in this case.

The woman had been serially raped and faced what was considered at 90% likelihood of being forced to undergo FGM on any return to SL. Therefore she was deemed to have met the requirement of being from a particular social group under specific threat.

PI is from Nigeria so her case can be distinguished.

[joemoran]

Some good news here. Pity it is 10 years too late
New rules to speed up deportations - Times Online

[hopi watcher]

The link is also to the UNHCR website. The Brits may have wrote the report but it appears the UNHCR adopted it.

Not true. UNHCR reproduce documents from many sources. On the issue if FGM it has repeatedly stated that the flight from FGM should be regarded as legitimate grounds for asylum.

[nonpartyboy]

Not true. UNHCR reproduce documents from many sources. On the issue if FGM it has repeatedly stated that the flight from FGM should be regarded as legitimate grounds for asylum.

Would that be for everyone that claims on these grounds or just the particular person involved in this case hopi ?Please enlighten us

[Trampas]

Would that be for everyone that claims on these grounds or just the particular person involved in this case hopi ?Please enlighten us

Forget it. HW will not answer that question.

[corelli]

Would that be for everyone that claims on these grounds or just the particular person involved in this case hopi ?Please enlighten us

It is a legitimate ground for asylum in specific instances, if, and when,you can PROVE it. Which Pamela has, obviously singly failed to do, to date. It is not, however, grounds for asylum in any general non-specific sense.

[Ulster-Lad]

Not true. UNHCR reproduce documents from many sources. On the issue if FGM it has repeatedly stated that the flight from FGM should be regarded as legitimate grounds for asylum.

3.9.5 Conclusion. Whilst protection and/or assistance is available from governmental and non-governmental sources, this is limited. Those who are unable or, owing to fear, unwilling to avail themselves of the protection of the authorities, can safely relocate to another part of Nigeria where the family members who are pressurising them to undergo FGM would be unlikely to be able to trace them. Women in this situation would if they choose to do so, also be able to seek assistance from women’s NGOs in the new location. The grant of asylum or Humanitarian Protection is unlikely therefore to be appropriate and such claims should be certified as clearly unfounded.

Do you not understand what is said here?

Refworld Policy Collection
The policy collection consists of mainly UNHCR policy documents, although contributions from other sources are continually added to the collection. Policy information is useful to provide guidance to decision makers. The majority of the documents in the collection cover asylum policy on countries, specific situations or thematic/subject matter based issues.

Who are the "decision makers"?

[FutureTaoiseach]

A reply from Simon Coveney to my email on this matter:

Thanks for emailing me a number of weeks ago in relation to the Pamela Izevbekhai case.

First of all I can understand where you are coming from when you say that the asylum
system has to be fair not only to asylum seekers but also to the Irish taxpayer. In the
case of Pamela, the State has spent a lot of money defending a legal case against her.
I do not defend, for one minute, everything that Pamela has done in relation to her court
case, and if fraudulent papers were used as part of her legal case, that is totally
unacceptable. The point that I was making in relation to this case was purely from the
perspective of her children. If there is a serious threat to those children on
returning to Nigeria, well then the State needs to take that issue into account seriously.

I take your point also in relation to the Dublin II Regulations, whereby asylum seekers
that have come to Ireland, can be sent to the EU country that they first landed in, on
arriving to Europe. This is a regulation that has been used on a number of occasions in
relation to asylum seekers in Ireland and may well be appropriate in Pamela's case.

The main problem as I see it with asylum cases is that it simply takes so long for the
State to make a determination in relation to those cases, and also in dealing with the
appeals process. Ireland has a legal obligation to have a fair asylum procedure but I
do think that the process goes on endlessly in many cases. This needs to change. We
need to be firm but also fair in fulfilling international legal obligations in relation
to asylum.

Thanks again for taking the time to email me, and I will certainly take your concerns on
board.

Kind regards
Simon Coveney TD
Front Bench Spokesperson on Communications, Energy and Natural Resources

[hopi watcher]

A reply from Simon Coveney to my email on this matter:

If Mr Coveney visits here, I draw his attention to this wondedrful post of FT's appearing elsewhere.

"There's precious little civility in the spread of Islamic terrorism in the UK, including honor-killings, the Salman Rushdie death-threats, the 7/7 bombings or the "Behead Blair" and "Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer" demos. 41% of Muslims in the UK polled according to the Times want Sharia law introduced in the UK. To my mind, a factor behind all this has been the failure of successive British govts to assimilate their Muslim populations. We should not be repeat that mistake. I compare it to the obligations of a guest that comes to stay in another person's house - there are house-rules. If people who come here don't like our rules, then noone is forcing them to remain here. Guests who have been welcomed into our State owe allegiance to our State while present therein, imho. And btw, I also disagree with Gardai wearing overt Christian symbols. My perspective comes from secularism, not prejudice against any religious grouping (even though I dislike religion as a superstition that causes wars, persecution etc.). On the other hand, a small crucifix around a Garda's neck is invisible to most people, unlike hijabs, burkas or turbans, and as such, there is less of a risk that the relevant person will be regarded as biased towards a religious group in any court case involving witnesses/suspects/victims that differ in terms of religious denomination.

[FutureTaoiseach]

If Mr Coveney visits here, I draw his attention to this wondedrful post of FT's appearing elsewhere.

"There's precious little civility in the spread of Islamic terrorism in the UK, including honor-killings, the Salman Rushdie death-threats, the 7/7 bombings or the "Behead Blair" and "Europe is the cancer, Islam is the answer" demos. 41% of Muslims in the UK polled according to the Times want Sharia law introduced in the UK. To my mind, a factor behind all this has been the failure of successive British govts to assimilate their Muslim populations. We should not be repeat that mistake. I compare it to the obligations of a guest that comes to stay in another person's house - there are house-rules. If people who come here don't like our rules, then noone is forcing them to remain here. Guests who have been welcomed into our State owe allegiance to our State while present therein, imho. And btw, I also disagree with Gardai wearing overt Christian symbols. My perspective comes from secularism, not prejudice against any religious grouping (even though I dislike religion as a superstition that causes wars, persecution etc.). On the other hand, a small crucifix around a Garda's neck is invisible to most people, unlike hijabs, burkas or turbans, and as such, there is less of a risk that the relevant person will be regarded as biased towards a religious group in any court case involving witnesses/suspects/victims that differ in terms of religious denomination.

I stand over it all. Those demos and those placards did take place. Google them if you don't believe me.