Irish Mirror Exclusive - Izevbekhai FGM story a lie

[Ulster-Lad]

Are you seriously suggesting that the Gardai investigation was placed into the public domain prior to the court sitting? The first the court heard of the problem came from claiment and that is on the court records.

Don't let the facts here confuse you. Go back in this thread and look at the linked articles prior to the court date.

[hopi watcher]

Of course she bloody did

- her Husband rang her and told her the Game was up and the Gardai had discovered they were forgeries.

Hopi you do realise your credibility is being seriously damaged by your continuing support for this Fraud?

I hope for your sake that you do not have a public profile

- because your ability to seperate fact from fiction on this one would lead people to think the same on any other 'causes' you adopt.

Your tone is now becoming childish. The fact is that she informed the court about the problem before the Garda reported to the court. And don't 'hope' anything on my behalf, I can and do look after myself. This post has succedded in outing people who are basically racist and/or incapable of basic compassion. This case is about the danger of two children suffering FGM. I have suggested before and I suggest again that you get informatuin on FGM and after that I would be amazed if you still hold the view that it's ok to risk exposing these childfen to this barbaric practise.

[atlantic]

Good for you,and fairplay to you're man and his wife,they are working and are not soakers,but the amount of economic immigrants coming into this country has to be questioned and curtailed.

I am fortunate to have excellent tenants (Nigerian Man and his Polish Partner plus two children), who both work extremely hard, pay their taxes and are quite angry at what they perceive as PI's naked opportunism. My tenant (Tony) has already been beaten up by thugs outside the cinema in the Square in Tallaght - in front of dozens of onlookers. He says he is now becoming more wary as a result of the expected backlash caused by Pamela's dishonesty.

[DaBrow]

I am fortunate to have excellent tenants (Nigerian Man and his Polish Partner plus two children), who both work extremely hard, pay their taxes and are quite angry at what they perceive as PI's naked opportunism. My tenant (Tony) has already been beaten up by thugs outside the cinema in the Square in Tallaght - in front of dozens of onlookers. He says he is now becoming more wary as a result of the expected backlash caused by Pamela's dishonesty.

My tenants for the home ireland my family have was occupied by what we thought was a polish family, composing of 5 people so we believed.

After close inspection, we found out that there were 9 of them living in the house and saw that they had broken almost every rule of their tenancy agreement: they installed satellite without our permission, found cigarette burns in the sofa and numerous stains on the carpet downstairs and in the bedrooms.

They even had the cheek to demand their deposit back - we told them to get stuffed and they abandonded the house a few months after signing the rent aggreement without even telling our property management representatives.

We should sue these people for deliberately breaking our trust on for damage they have caused to our home.

Why are we putting up with such dishonest behaviour? Is it from the liberal whose saying "Awh, give them a bit of slack. They're foreign, they don't know any better"?

Well they should, if you arrive in a country you need to adhere to the rules and customs of the land like everyone else. No-One is above the law or has the right to think they are.

[Horace Horse]

I am fortunate to have excellent tenants (Nigerian Man and his Polish Partner plus two children).

So you're one of the landlords who have benefitted from Mass Immigration?

Well, I'm one of the workers who hasn't.

[Catalpa]

Your tone is now becoming childish. The fact is that she informed the court about the problem before the Garda reported to the court. And don't 'hope' anything on my behalf, I can and do look after myself. This post has succedded in outing people who are basically racist and/or incapable of basic compassion. This case is about the danger of two children suffering FGM. I have suggested before and I suggest again that you get informatuin on FGM and after that I would be amazed if you still hold the view that it's ok to risk exposing these childfen to this barbaric practise.

Er Hopi if your looking for childish Carry On in this Thread look closer to home...

But you see practially everyone here does not believe that these two girls are at any risk at all of FGM.

Even if we were to grant them Asylum here on that basis that would mean having to do the same for any other family from Nigeria with young girls in tow who came here and put forward the same type of story.

Please tell us what you think we should do for all the other young girls in Nigeria who might be at risk from FGM?

Grant them all Asylum?

Because that would seem to be the 'Logic' of your argument.

Think B4 you Post Hopi.

[Ulster-Lad]

Hopi, just to help you out here.... Look at when this thread was started and compare that with her court date.

[corelli]

Your tone is now becoming childish. The fact is that she informed the court about the problem before the Garda reported to the court. And don't 'hope' anything on my behalf, I can and do look after myself. This post has succedded in outing people who are basically racist and/or incapable of basic compassion. This case is about the danger of two children suffering FGM. I have suggested before and I suggest again that you get informatuin on FGM and after that I would be amazed if you still hold the view that it's ok to risk exposing these childfen to this barbaric practise.

I don't know where you were Hopi but the story was broken by the Indo and was all over the press before anyone informed the Court. The application to the Supreme Court was made by the State, not Pamela. She accepted, on radio/television in advance of the Court date that, after consulting her husband, the documents were false.

She most certainly did not inform the Supreme Court of anything prior to the States motion being listed. There is no method to so do other than a motion and submitting affidavits.

[FutureTaoiseach]

I know that the very mention of the word immigrant sends the red mist descending over your eyes and that probably explains your utter inability to extend to two children, in danger of mutilaition, the benefit of doubt in this case, but would you make an effort to explain to us why any person or group would want an 'open borders' policy?

You tell me, since it's obviously your agenda.

Why would any group want an open-borders agenda? Well there are the Dickensian bosses who want slave-labour, lawyers who want to profit from asylum-appeals with free legal-aid, property-moguls out to make a buck from housing asylum-seekers etc., and then those who favour open-borders for reasons of ideology, including Eurofederalists and postnationalists, whose agenda I have already explained on a number of threads.

[DaveM]

Right, I am well sick of both sides of this argument.

I was, at the height of claims, a legal representative FOR asylum seekers. Here are the facts as I experienced them. I would like to think, after several years posting, that I have a fairly decent record here, that being that I generally annoy both "left" and "right" wing posters. I would like to think I have a "common sense" approach to matters. You can make up your own mind.

Initially, FGM was an unknown to the authorities here. It was something we could not logically or socially comprehend. It was strange, it was disgusting and it was believed.

After a while, given the increase of applications, from Nigeria in particular, and given the Irish Born Child issue, the claims of those advancing FGM as a claim became very frequent, very similar and less and less provable and/or convincing.

The issue became, as with all claims internationally, credibility, in circumstances where no proof of travel was available (they were trafficked), no documentation (trafficked again), no proof of Nationality ( ditto) and an unwillingness of the individual to explain how they were able to present themselves at Mount Street ( the RAC) after, we were told, passing without papers through Dublin Airport ( read came across the border from NI). Anybody passing through Dublin Airport knows that, of personal experience, if you are the merest shade of off white you are stopped! Additionally, they actually have a rather sophisticated system of tracking the origin of connecting flights. Not to put a tooth in it, you simply CANNOT transit Dublin airport from Africa without very convincing documentation.

Thats the bones of it.

The fact now is that Pamela arrived in 2005. Her claim was substantiated, notwithstanding the foregoing multitude of similar claims, with documentation. The State accepted the bone fides of those documents but maintained that she could, under the Geneve convention, have availed of internal relocation. She failed to so do. It was before the courts 20 plus times and she failed to convince the State that she could not so do. Her adverse claim was one of particular risk of FGM. The document on which this was based have now turned out to be false/fabricated.

Having dealt with hundreds of similar claims, and given the evidence to date, I have no hesitance to say that my firm belief is that Pamela is an economic migrant looking to make a better life for herself, for which I don't particularly blame her, and uttered false documentation in order to advance that claim. If in future the Supreme Court decide otherwise that is fine.

In the circumstances, and given that there in NO identifiable individual risk, it is my firm belief that Pamela and her daughters, in respect of the legal parameters within which we operate, Irish and European, face, without doubt, deportation. This is as a result of the fact that International/European and Irish law are coginisant of the fact, and this is actually the rational, that we cannot become/operate as the safety valve of every crack pot/dodgy African State, which Nigeria undoubtedly is!

Thanks for that corelli. Very useful post in setting out the legal framework. As an amateur lawyer I'm not really in position to argue it with you!

On a general level the case one that just leaves me uneasy. The fact that the central tenet is the risk of torture against two children makes it hard to step back and take a dispassionate view of the legal aspects of the case particularly since, as I've stated previously, I have a daughter around their age. Perhaps that clouds my judgement but the simple prevalence figures for FGM in Nigeria just push me towards a "better safe than sorry" opinion.

I've not really debated any immigration cases or the issue in general on here before. To be honest it's not an issue that has aroused particluarly strong opinions one way or the other for me. What I have found quite surprising is the level of vitriol it arouses in some people and the personalised nature of the attacks that have been directed at those who disagree with them. For daring to question the performance of the Nigerian ambassador during her appearance on The Last Word I was even accsued of being "racist scum" by one of the more head banging posters around here. With the higher number of immigrants now residing in Ireland the possible rise of racial tensions as the economy goes downhill is something that would give me cause for worry. The Cork taxi drivers' union attitude and abuse towards immigrant drivers from Africa serves as a case in point.

Anyway, I've made my point and this thread is just going around in circles now so I think I'll leave it at that.